Vaccinations; recent developments

[sarkeizen]

That, of course, is the kneejerk response you've obviously been 'programmed' to believe and to deliver.

I confess I am part of those programmed to both use and understand provincial codes with reasonable accuracy.

[allcanadian]

@Sark

Alberta, Canada - where Allcanadian claims to be from.

Yes, the land of oil and gas however I'm in Southern Alberta with miles of rolling prairie as far as the eye can see. As well we Albertan's are known for our independence which may come as no surprise. We are known as the world leaders of oil and gas extraction technologies and I know many people who travel around the world consulting. On a side note I know hundreds of people in the industry, many millionaires and most all have told me they would leave it in a heartbeat if they could make a living any other way. So it is not as if anyone wants to be there because it is a dirty unsustainable cut throat business and if the money wasn't there everyone told me they would leave and never look back which is interesting.


I understand I went a little overboard in my posts and a few glasses of wine may have influenced me,lol. I think we should be diligent and at the very least try to do a little research to properly weigh the risks. That is we should not be doing something just because other people are doing it or because we see an advertisement telling us we should do something.


I think most would agree we are being influenced by the media in the form of advertising on a scale which is unheard of in our history. I have no vested interest here, obviously, because I'm not the one telling someone to go out and buy something...just the opposite. As well Health care here may be free but we all know we always pay in one form or another. I pay my taxes and a large portion goes to the government, which then goes to the health care system which then goes to the drug corporations. So you see there is no free in it because my money still ends up in their pockets and I am paying for others vaccinations as well through my taxes.


In my opinion and using casual observations it would seem the least informed and unfortunately the least intelligent people at the lower income levels would seem to be the one's lining up to get vaccinated. Based on my personal observations and questions to family and friends as well as other persons I know.


Which raises a question in my mind, I know why I am here and it is to offer an alternative perspective to that of the media but I have to wonder why you are here?. I mean you seem to be suggesting that we should all go out and get vaccinated which would benefit the pharmaceutical industry while I am saying we should make informed choices. Which relates to the theme of my lasts posts concerning the motivations of people, why they are here and what they are saying...again just casual observations.


By the way why are you here if you don't mind me asking?.


AC

[sarkeizen]

@Sark
I have no vested interest here, obviously, because I'm not the one telling someone to go out and buy something...just the opposite.

If you actually HAD read books on psychology or economics you'd recognize that you likely do have a vested interest: A vested interest in your current belief.

As well Health care here may be free but we all know we always pay in one form or another.

Irrelevant to every an all points at hand.   You still can't walk into a pharmacy and BUY a vaccine as you said you could.

In my opinion and using casual observations it would seem the least informed and unfortunately the least intelligent people at the lower income levels would seem to be the one's lining up to get vaccinated.

For an alleged engineer, your logic is insanely poor.  Your statement is:
a) Mindless bigotry.   You can't determine someones IQ by looking at them for the 4 min it takes to give them an IM of Fluarix.  You certainly can't gauge their level of information on a issue in that time.
b) Probably, in essence an inverse ad populum fallacy.

Based on my personal observations and questions to family and friends as well as other persons I know.

Wow you asked people for the AVERAGE IQ of people getting vaccinated and they were able to tell it to you with high accuracy?  Considering it takes the WAIS IV at least an hour to get a good estimate based on a very carefully chosen series of questions.  It's far far far far far far far far more likely that your observations and opinions of people you know are simply not nearly accurate enough to draw your conclusions.

I know why I am here

So you say...

I mean you seem to be suggesting that we should all go out and get vaccinated

No, I'm saying that virtually every assertion you've made against vaccines tend to fall into one of three categories.  a) Unfounded - you have cited nothing supporting your views.  b) ridiculous - 1 in 20 people who take some vaccines are seriously injured or killed?  c) show a real ignorance of math, biology and/or logic - like your "casually observing someone's IQ".  Personally I don't care if you get vaccinated or not.  However I do care if you want to come in here and promote nonsense.

I am saying we should make informed choices.

Not true, or that's not very much of what your saying. Your first two posts were FILLED with claim after ludicrous claim.  Spreading nonsense isn't telling people to make informed choices.  It's limiting them.

By the way why are you here if you don't mind me asking?.

I find it interesting how people like you and Capt-Z-ro and profitis work very hard to preserve your own ignorance.  It's pretty amazing really.  You go on about informed choice but can't actually defend your position and you clearly haven't done the kind of work necessary to reach some of the conclusions you claim.  All three of you spent far more time posturing than actually trying to clarify your position and none of you show much ability to criticize your own beliefs.

[Cap-Z-ro]

However you have yet to provide any credible evidence that it's a weapon.

And once again, oh so conveniently, side stepping the part about the inbred cabal putting poison in drinking water, spraying toxic chemtrails in the sky and poison GMO's in food products.

It's just a risk assessment.  So far Thiomersal is an exceptionally low risk.

Well, now we're getting somewhere...we have an admission of risk.  An exceptionally low risk its claimed...by whom we do not know ??

However you have yet to provide any credible evidence that it's a weapon.

Again, who in the hell needs more evidence when you have the inbred cabal putting poison in drinking water, spraying toxic chemtrails in the sky and poison GMO's in food products, is it a stretch to conclude that we are the victims of bio-warfare

Your body regularly creates chemicals...

Now i suppose he's going to try to tell us that the form of citric acid that powers our immune system is the same as the chemical form of it which according to bio chemist Joe Hart, has the exact opposite effect.

Regards...

[sarkeizen]

And once again, oh so conveniently, side stepping the part about the inbred cabal putting poison in drinking water, spraying toxic chemtrails in the sky and poison GMO's in food products.

I think those issues are sufficiently well covered in the Weekly World News.

Well, now we're getting somewhere...we have an admission of risk.

Saying "very safe" is the same as saying "low risk".

An exceptionally low risk its claimed...by whom we do not know ??

Already cited a study.

Again, who in the hell needs more evidence

So you're saying you don't need evidence actually indicating vaccine risk in order to conclude vaccine risk.    Awwww you really are a troll.