Vaccinations; recent developments

[sarkeizen]

Please, do as you please!

Ah I see where you lost your train of thought.  See the joke was that I was emulating the behavior of a troll - like yourself.  So
I was asking what the proper "troll thing" to do would be. As you have cheerfully admitted you are vastly more experienced in this than I am.  You were really, really proud of it too...referencing some army training...or something. 

So in your expert trolling opinion.  Should I have posted a large irrelevant graphic - perhaps with some unsupported inflammatory text?

I await your expert advice.

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[joel321]

English please.

Me:"As a matter of fact coughing while having the flu virus to the ground, that is some type of EDUCATIONAL filter too."

you:"English please."

me: a sick person with the flu person coughing to the ground will not infect the person that is standing in front of him or her.

Look I'm sorry if you can't understand.  I'm not arguing something is true based on an anecdote.  I'm showing you from an experience of mine how masks are often useless. It would be exceptionally difficult to avoid the virus because it would be in so many places.  Hence vaccination was the superior choice.

Can you you show me the STATISTICS that you are blabbering about?

No, it was an example of how useless masks can be.

Did you put on the mask PROPERLY?

Sure but a) this is used in addition to vaccination - the vast majority of health care workers are vaccinated and often requiried to be so b) it's a circumstance where getting sick has a higher chance of serious impact  c) You often don't know if they are vaccinated or not. d) The most frequent place they are worn is in the OR and this is because when someone has their body cut open they are operating at a lower immune capacity.

So it's entirely different than the scenario you were describing.   

No matter what you say, a VACCINE IS A TYPE OF FILTER!

And that is where we need to UNDERSTAND.

You say A vaccine FILTERS out the flu virus...right? I know this since the flu virus DOES NOT filter out all flu virus strains but just the "predominant"...please this is all I have been talking about!

Where a human gets infected with all of these FILTERS all over the place is either from uneducated or stupid, which correlates with uneducated.

You seem to be SCARED about viruses, thats a disorder in the mind!

Second, you are telling me if there is a human being that has never had vaccinations his/her entire life, he/she is carrying more viruses than your body is!? Lol...if you are carrying less viruses then someone else than conclusion vaccine is a 100% cure for death from viruses...what?

"the vast majority of health care workers are vaccinated "

how do you know this?

Too many BS you talk!

Perhaps you need to take some deep breaths and then figure out what you mean by "filter".  I know all the procedures used by surgeons in North America when operating on HIV+ patients.  "filters" meaning anything that one would use to avoid influenza or avoid transmitting influenza is not really what is used.

Perhaps you need to be open minded and see what a FILTER is.

In fact, explain the purpose of a filter?

You don't see the connection? Skin keeping out viruses? Immune system fighting viruses that get in? Ozone layer fighting the suns' gama rays?

Sorry I simply don't know what you mean by "born" and every time I talk about something to do with disease transmission you don't appear to understand.  So I apologize but I'm not going to answer any "born" questions.  Since they are effectively meaningless to me.  You can, if you want attempt to explain whatever moronic argument you are trying to make.

Can you explain how you where born? That is what I mean by BORN since that is the ONLY concept of what humans can understand about being BORN.

You seem to be TOO LITERALL, if I tell you "you owe me 50 bucks" you are going to give me 50 deer animals? Stop being LITERAL.

Thousands of viruses are virulent before they are symptomatic.  Lots of viruses are actually LESS virulent when the person is symptomatic.  Seriously think about it, even a cavepeople can see that the person who is coughing and wheezing is someone they shouldn't hang around.  So viruses have a selection pressure to be infectious before they cause symptoms.

Correction, MILLIONS of viruses or it could be GOOLELLIONS.

Lots of viruses are actually LESS virulent when the person is symptomatic.

Oh do tell which viruses?

Sorry I don't answer "born" questions.

How where you born?

Didn't have to there have been studies done on the transmission of viruses through surgical masks which are less permeable than your average T-shirt.  So I looked them up - that thing you never do - and extrapolated.

Hey idiot have you ever wonder about fat people and skinny people? A flu virus may be blocked by a t-shirt weave but other smaller microvial ones can get past through! Well I have never thought about that before in my life lol.

Well lets operate with no masks on on everyone doctors. Lol, you are the idiot! I don't even know why you refuse of using surgical mask = vaccinations. There is something going wrong in your brain matter!

Your argument is that filters - which seem to mean everything that exists

YES! Since we all exist because of the EVERYTHING!

However even with the filters you describe people still get sick and we also know that if we vaccinate those people then they are less likely to get sick.

What vaccinated the dinosaurs or the plantum that the dinosaurs "evolved" from?

What if the flu virus will MUTATE a new breed of better intelligent people than your stupidity and you are preventing it with your "medicine" greed?

I know you and me both think alike but you just seem to closed minded. It takes time though!

Please define "strand" in some way that is actually useful.

you must be blind not to see what I mean by STRAND lol

Viruses aren't alive in that sense.  They replicate but do not eat.  I don't know of any off-hand which are independently mobile.

is not the mere fact of REPLICATING a form of eating?

And how do you know the viruses do not eat?

How do you know that there are not obese viruses and no anorexic ones?

Why do you believe that viruses have a sense of purpose?

Well there is a little thing called we learn from past experiences!!!

So you're saying you don't have a definition?

ok, tell me what is an immune system?

Only partially, you are one of the worst students.

No you are at fault for not teaching me.

Do you want me to be stupid all of the time and never learn?

So sorry.  No "born" questions until you convince me that you know what you're talking about.

you seriously do not understand the word to be BORN? You came out from a females ! Thats being born for you!

So you admit you're faking your bad English then?  I mean if you knew that the word was "strain" but used strand all the time.

NO! my Spanish is evolving to English. I simply googled what a strand means in your language and it is strain, which at the end of the day strain sounds stupid and only lives in biology.

So back to a question that if you had understood it a while ago I would have been able to give you some kind of answer.  You were too busy being ignorant.  Hopefully you have some time for this.  When you say "strain" - but because you're ignorant you say "strand' - do you mean serotype?

tomato tomato, get over and focus on the main point lol YAWN!

If you can't clarify what you mean...then just admit you don't know what you're talking about.

The mosquito bite is the deadliest bite in the USA, #1 killer. Do I even have to explain this too you? Where is the vaccination to that with your syringe?

So nobody knows how something works on the outside.

LOL, MAN!

-if you don't know how a TV works
-if you don't know how a radio works
-if you don't know how an automobile works
-if you never know how a an HVAC thermostact works
-if you never know how an induction works
-if you never know how AC DC electricity works
-if you never know how the speed of light works
-if you never know how reproduction works
-if you never know how an LCD with it's sub-pixels work
-if you never know how computers work
-if you never know how muscles work

ETC!

Yeah, like you say, nobody knows...except you...lol

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Excellent link.  I love her attitude and of course she's
absolutely correct in her priorities.

In order to extricate one's flesh and blood soul from the
Jurisdiction which desires to make vaccinations mandatory
for all 'Persons' one must understand the LEGAL NAME
Deception.

When a flesh and blood living soul provides Identification or
verbally identifies as a LEGAL NAME ENTITY (with a NUMBER)
jurisdiction is presumed and force may be applied to achieve
compliance.

We must learn how to properly identify as flesh and blood living
souls which are outside the LEGAL NAME JURISDICTION.  Fortunately
it is not difficult.

The LEGAL NAME PERSON (with NUMBER) is a creation of the State
and is the PERSON authorities are seeking when they ask "Do you
have ID?" or "What is your NAME?"  Upon receiving an ID they'll ask
"Is this you?" or "Is that you?"  It is a trap.

Joel321,

You're doing just fine.  Excellent really.
Holding your high ground very effectively.

[sarkeizen]

a sick person with the flu person coughing to the ground will not infect the person that is standing in front of him or her.

"coughing to the ground" - LOL.

Can you you show me the STATISTICS that you are blabbering about?

Which statistics are you talking about?  Have you ever considered putting useful information in your questions?  No?

Did you put on the mask PROPERLY?

I didn't put on a mask.  Do you really not understand what I wrote? 

No matter what you say, a VACCINE IS A TYPE OF FILTER!

Out of curiosity, do you ejaculate every time you type the word "filter"?  Because you seem to enjoy using it way to much.  In any case, before you were saying that filters were better than vaccines.  Now you're saying vaccines are filters.  It's not a very useful way to argue a point...assuming you have a point.   

You say A vaccine FILTERS out the flu virus...right?

No.  It provides resistance to disease.  Is that a filter?  Not in any way similar to the way the term was being used at the beginning of your blather.

I know this since the flu virus DOES NOT filter out all flu virus strains but just the "predominant"

"The flu virus doesn't filter out all of the flu virus"?!?  I'm not even sure what language you are attempting to speak there.  Let's assume it's English and you mean to say something about vaccines.  Vaccines are designed to provide resistance to most of the viruses you are likely to encounter.  This is done using a number of complicated models.  However that doesn't mean they don't provide protection to other less likely viruses.

Where a human gets infected with all of these FILTERS all over the place is either from uneducated or stupid, which correlates with uneducated.

There are lots of vectors for infection which are not necessarily from someone being stupid.

You seem to be SCARED about viruses, thats a disorder in the mind!

Not by any useful standard.

Second, you are telling me if there is a human being that has never had vaccinations his/her entire life, he/she is carrying more viruses than your body is!?

English please. 

"the vast majority of health care workers are vaccinated "

how do you know this?

The CDC posts HCP vaccination coverage in the US.  Various provinces in Canada publish this information too.

Too many BS you talk!

It's called "reading".  Try it!

Perhaps you need to be open minded and see what a FILTER is.

It's not about being "open minded".  You are trying to communicate something.  Right or wrong?  If I'm right then based on your whining it seems like you are attempting to communicate an idea that is in contrast to some of the prevailing ideas about vaccination.  In which case it makes sense to attempt to make your argument as clear as possible.  One way to do that is to avoid using the same term in many different senses.   

In fact, explain the purpose of a filter?

Not interested.  Sorry.  Same as "born" questions.

Can you explain how you where born? That is what I mean by BORN since that is the ONLY concept of what humans can understand about being BORN.

I think you need to use a word different than "born".  Try it.

You seem to be TOO LITERALL, if I tell you "you owe me 50 bucks" you are going to give me 50 deer animals? Stop being LITERAL.

Well a) that's not a very good example of being literal and b) Your English is worse than a child's.  It seems deliberate but let's put that aside for the moment.  I'm saying that when you are trying to communicate something in a language you are exceptionally bad at - you should be careful and clear about what you say.  You are saying that you can be careless.  Does that seem like a good idea to you?

Correction, MILLIONS of viruses or it could be GOOLELLIONS.

I wasn't talking about the total number of viruses.

Oh do tell which viruses?

So if the primary site for an infection is say the lungs.  You'll develop symptoms.  That infection can clear but a secondary site can persist.  So you will be symptomatic - febrile, weak, aches but less infectious. 

How where you born?

Not answering "born" questions and certainly not answering questions of dubious relevance.

A flu virus may be blocked by a t-shirt weave

Just not very well.  As I said 90% is a reasonable extrapolation.

Well lets operate with no masks on on everyone doctors.

Nobody is advocating that.  Please try to read what I write.  It's just a thought.

YES! Since we all exist because of the EVERYTHING!

Which isn't a very useful argument.

What vaccinated the dinosaurs or the plantum that the dinosaurs "evolved" from?

English please.

I know you and me both think alike

Your best insult yet.

you just seem to closed minded.

LOL.  You have been wrong about so many things in this thread and you haven't admitted one.  The only thing you know how to say is that you are 100% right.  You are the most close minded person of all. :-)

you must be blind not to see what I mean by STRAND lol

More likely, I just know way more than you do.  As a rule of thumb if you think something is simple it's sometimes because you are so ignorant you don't see the complexities.  For you I suspect it's almost all the time. :-)

is not the mere fact of REPLICATING a form of eating?

Nope.

And how do you know the viruses do not eat?

How about first.  You define "eat".

How do you know that there are not obese viruses and no anorexic ones?

That doesn't mean anything useful. :-)

Well there is a little thing called we learn from past experiences!!!

So you think viruses have a will and they are conscious on some level?

ok, tell me what is an immune system?

So when you asked the question.  You had no idea what you were talking about?  Figures. :-)

No you are at fault for not teaching me.

I am simply not the perfect teacher and you are an exceptionally bad study.  My apologies. :-)

you seriously do not understand the word to be BORN? You came out from a females ! Thats being born for you!

Are you saying that viruses come out of female viruses?  Are you saying there are male and female viruses? :-)

NO! my Spanish is evolving to English.

You acted like I should have known.  So either you KNEW the English word and are lying now or you lied when you acted like I should have known what you were talking about.  Let me know which lie you told...faker!
"strand" is an English word.  So you can't google "What does strand me in English".

tomato tomato, get over and focus on the main point lol YAWN!

They are not the same thing.  So again I'm asking you a question about what you mean.  In order to help give you the information you want and you are refusing.  So again your ignorance is really not my fault.

The mosquito bite is the deadliest bite in the USA, #1 killer

If you say so jack.

-if you don't know how a TV works
-if you don't know how a radio works
-if you don't know how an automobile works
-if you never know how a an HVAC thermostact works
-if you never know how an induction works
-if you never know how AC DC electricity works
-if you never know how the speed of light works
-if you never know how reproduction works
-if you never know how an LCD with it's sub-pixels work
-if you never know how computers work
-if you never know how muscles work

Well apparently you don't know how reading English works.  Perhaps you can try that one again.