Vaccinations; recent developments

[sarkeizen]

It seems pretty obvious to me, that under any reasonable definition of propaganda what you post would qualify.  If you weren't entirely unable to argue your point it would be interesting to see you try to defend it. Instead I'll have to settle for getting you - on record - admitting that what you do makes people stupid.   Anyway on to your squirming...

Your desperation is ramping up as is your very obvious frustration!

Again pro-tip: In written speech when observing something rather than say fabricating it you don't need to hit the adjectives so hard.  Perhaps it's all the crazy-talk on zengardner which, between orgasms has desensitized you to the difference between that and normal speech.

Pro-tip II: Don't use the same adjectival phrase in close proximity.  Doing so sounds like some grand crescendo of desperation.  It looks artificial.

Yeah, I know.  It hurts a lot.

Pro-tip III: Apparently you *do* know because this comes off as projecting more than anything else.

Just trying to help.

[joel321]

Little by little as I'm learning about vaccinations the truth is coming out. I need to do more study to gather my thoughts and explain them but since this is just a forum i'm not going to even waste my energy to explain them all i'm just going to express my opinion and the reader should make their own judgment.

What I have noticed is that many people are uneducated in vaccinations. Even the nurses. It's understandable cause who is out there teaching the inner workings about vaccinations? No one. One just expects them to work and one puts their whole TRUST in to the medicine. Studies after studies have been done that show peoples lack of understanding. You can even see the truth in your average local channels. Many have done shows asking people things like how the brain works, how light works, how LCD TV screen works, how mind manipulation works, etc, they have no clue. By the same token, we have people that have no clue if the teacher is a good one or one that was put there because the school lacks teachers. There was this school where the gym teacher was also the math teacher. Lol. In that example, the teacher could not be an expert in both. How do i know, I was in his math class and in his gym class. He was teaching math as if he was learning himself.

So there is FREE RULING for vaccination makers to just vaccine as they wish with out people actually asking what it's in it let alone how will the vaccine impacts/impairs the body in the long run. Due to understanding how courts work, that would be a very very very hard case to prove even though they might be doing harm to people over the long run. One example of such complications would be, how do you prove what is predispose genetic VS man made mutations. The vaccine markers have full UNREGULATED authority. Well, they may be regulated but for sure not by the common people since time after time shows that people know jack shyt about anything outside Hollywood entertainment. SO if the majority of the people DO NOT understand how viruses spread around yet how they are BORN, how in the world could they defend themselves against long terms ill effects due to a vaccination? Lol they can't. Let alone prove if any future long term illness is due a vaccine.

People blame the un-vaccinated and not blame the lack of EDUCATING their kids. Studies upon studies have shown that people are stubborn and are not health conscious. When parents teach their kids starting from birth to be clean and how to prevent contact spreading or air spreading viruses is when virus spreading will become less fruitful. But how do break from that cicle now that there are more un-educated people than educated people? The responsibility is on those that already have the answer to teach the masses. Because obviously the masses don't know jack and only rely on the drugs.

I saw one study they did here in the USA that showed less than 50% of the people wash their hands after they use the bath room. That means like in a baseball game stadium, there will be a lot of bacteria in the door handle. Or anywhere people put their hands on. Hell, there is even bacteria in the air and those hand air blow dryers may suck a bacteria from the air on to your wet hands than by just drying your hands on a paper towel.

The currency is the dirties thing one can touch out there that people come in contact with regurlaly. One disgusting example that I know is that crack heads use the one dollar bill to roll it up in to a straw to snort up the powder. Then they lick the left powder off the dollar bill or rub it inside their gums. For the reason, the dollar would be the dirties than  $50/$100 bill.

Bla blah blah....There is no way 100% with out a doubt that vaccinations are NOT the answer for health period. The only answer is understanding where viruses come from and how they are prevented.

1- The way I see it, people that are not educated should be MANDATORY to take vaccinations. For example, all drug addicts that go through the jail system should get their future/current kids vaccinated MANDATORY.

2- When a HIGH-RISK virus is detected in a person, all the relatives should get MANDATORY vaccinated.

3- All airports should have MANDATORY electronic detectors as to detect the peoples body temperature. The ones with high levels should be asked to be kept for evaluation. I'm sure this would make people who travel more aware of their health.

I'm pretty sure there are wayyyy more solutions than just go all APE SHYT and do MANDATORY vaccination wold wide. Might as well vaccinate all monkeys and chickens too.

[sarkeizen]

So again, when are you going to comply with the intellectual challenge I gave you?  You act all "ok let's play" but when it comes to doing a 10 min task - creating a website account and posting your username here.  You act like you have amnesia.

I mean if don't think you can beat me.  That's cool.  Nobody said you had to play but you did seem willing...or at least willing to boast about your intellect.

Little by little as I'm learning

I doubt this really happens.  How about telling us about all the places you were wrong about vaccines?  The places where your opinion was incredibly stupid and moronic?  Do those places not exist?  Were you wrong about nothing?  Then you probably didn't really learn anything either.

What I have noticed is that many people are uneducated in vaccinations.

Mostly you.  Ever notice that you don't really say *what* is missing from their education.  A good sign that this is more your prejudices than an actual critical observation.

who is out there teaching the inner woed rkings about vaccinations? No one.

The only reason this question makes sense to you is because "inner workings" is defined to mean something that is unimportant to answering the questions most pertinent to people receiving vaccines - "What is the evidence for them being safe and effective?" - You're making a logical fallacy called an "argument by special definition".

Many have done shows asking people things like how the brain works, how light works, how LCD TV screen works, how mind manipulation works, etc, they have no clue.

All of which it is possible to be ignorant of and to have perfect information on if one should get vaccinated.  So this is not a relevant criticism.

So there is FREE RULING for vaccination makers to just vaccine as they wish with out people actually asking what it's in it let alone how will the vaccine impacts/impairs the body in the long run.

Not true.  All medicine is required to publish ingredients and studies on efficacy and safety.

how do you prove what is predispose genetic VS man made mutations.

The only real question is "How do we tell if people are being harmed?" - and the answer to that is in probability theory, epidemiological studies, toxicity trials and seroconversion studies.   

Well, they may be regulated but for sure not by the common people

Irrelevant requirement. Not everything needs to be regulated by everyone.

SO if the majority of the people DO NOT understand how viruses spread around yet how they are BORN, how in the world could they defend themselves against long terms ill effects due to a vaccination? Lol they can't. Let alone prove if any future long term illness is due a vaccine.

So people can't take the advice of people who know about these things and apply it?  For example if the people who understand vaccines the best say "Vaccines will very likely prevent more disease than they can cause".  People can't get vaccinated and thus defend themselves?  Seems like they can.

There is no way 100% with out a doubt that vaccinations are NOT the answer for health period.

They are a very important part in disease control - you can wash your hands, cough toward the floor and you will still, always infect people with measles.  Every day you will, all the time.  Why because in your unvaccinated world where Joel likes to see people die even with washing your hands and coughing toward the floor.  You will still shed viruses.  90% of the time - contact with those viruses will cause a case of measles.

Washing your hands and trying to keep from spreading your diseases is fine but making all disease control entirely based on people doing things like that absolutely perfectly all the time is simply stupid and completely ignorant of virtually every facet of ID control.  Everyone who was working in the US controlling Ebola cases was highly educated, wore far greater protective gear than any educated person today would and they still managed to make procedural mistakes.  Even when their life was on the line.

1- The way I see it, people that are not educated should be MANDATORY to take vaccinations. For example, all drug addicts that go through the jail system should get their future/current kids vaccinated MANDATORY.

How about uneducated people like yourself stop posting nonsense.

I'm pretty sure there are wayyyy more solutions than just go all APE SHYT and do MANDATORY vaccination wold wide.

So far, you are the only person I've met saying this.  What is more likely is that some school exemptions will be taken away
.  I'd agree with that, most of them seem to be used for people who are stupid - like yourself - to foist their stupid onto their kids.  Just like you are doing here.   Legislating vaccines for school attendance is really no different than legislating auto insurance for driving on the road.

So about that game...or are you using all these dodges to try and teach yourself.

[joel321]

I doubt this really happens.  How about telling us about all the places you were wrong about vaccines?  The places where your opinion was incredibly stupid and moronic?  Do those places not exist?  Were you wrong about nothing?  Then you probably didn't really learn anything either.
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Dude please use your brain to figure out things. The reason that you believe I don't understand it is due to a language barrier. The way I speak does not click in your brain because i'm not use to explaining my mind to others. But the over thought process has been the same since the beginning.
Besides, why are you even responding to this. This just throws everything out of context which gets tiring after a while.

Mostly you.  Ever notice that you don't really say *what* is missing from their education.  A good sign that this is more your prejudices than an actual critical observation.

If you are "so smart" why can't you see the obvious yourself:

-The remote control in the house in most homes has fecal matter.

-The dollar bill has fecal matter, human spit, cocaine, and a plethora of other things.

-During flu/common cold season, people cough in ther hands and shake hands. People cought in the air where we know that a cought can spread the virus 10 feet away.

-House keeping ladies are not tought how to properly clean. I've seen cleaning ladies mop the floor using toilet water. LOL. This is behind the scenes because no-one would see this since they close the bathroom when they are cleaning.

-A lot of people don't understand how viruses enter the body in the first place. Most believe that they get the flu/common cold because of temperature change = un-educated. They don't know that it comes from the ground and enters the body.

-blah blah blah blah!

So you are telling me that I MOSTLY don't know LOL. You are living in a bubble and believe that 80% of the USA population is educated regarding simplistic stuff. Even on TV commercials advertising flu products, you will see a lady coughing in her mouth when a SMART PERSON WOULD KNOW NOT TO DO THAT! Or am I wrong?

The only reason this question makes sense to you is because "inner workings" is defined to mean something that is unimportant to answering the questions most pertinent to people receiving vaccines - "What is the evidence for them being safe and effective?" - You're making a logical fallacy called an "argument by special definition".

The only reason it does not make sense to you is because you believe that learning how it works from the bottom up is not important, when it is to me and should be to everyone else.

For example, when you get a "check engine" in your car, you WILL NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO. You will just pay a mechanic and hope he fixes it. The way my mentality work is not that way. I would know what the problem is and pay the mechanic to fix ONLY what I ask to be fixed. But you probably won't get that. Ah well.

All of which it is possible to be ignorant of and to have perfect information on if one should get vaccinated.  So this is not a relevant criticism.

It does relate to vaccinations because people should be informed what they are getting shoved in their bodies. And it should be made more clear to everyone not just write descriptive lazy medical lingo.

All medicine is required to publish ingredients and studies on efficacy and safety.

ok please find me the published ingredients in 15 measles vaccinations strains? Or link to the 21 different strains known of the measles virus?

The only real question is "How do we tell if people are being harmed?" - and the answer to that is in probability theory, epidemiological studies, toxicity trials and seroconversion studies.   

The answer to that is not known yet because the vaccines only come via studying it's affects on animals that probably don't live as long as HUMANS DO. How would you be able to know what the vaccine HARMS over the long run if the animals in a lab do not live as long as a real human?

Irrelevant requirement. Not everything needs to be regulated by everyone.

Well that's your opinion.

So people can't take the advice of people who know about these things and apply it?  For example if the people who understand vaccines the best say "Vaccines will very likely prevent more disease than they can cause".  People can't get vaccinated and thus defend themselves?  Seems like they can.

-A lot of people don't know that the fecal matter of cats/dogs/any animal carry many harmful life long viruses.
-Yeah and a lot of people believe in the loch ness monster.
-A lot of people believe in fortune card reading tellers.
-A lot of people believe in sasquatch. 
-Chupa cabra
-etc etc.

If you understand how packs of wolves social lives work, you should be able to understand how socialism in people work. You believe that word of mouth means they know what they are talking about? This is not me saying it, FACTS say it. I'm just repeating that facts that most people are not well aware about how things work in life, let alone about vaccines.

They are a very important part in disease control - you can wash your hands, cough toward the floor and you will still, always infect people with measles. Every day you will, all the time.  ...even with washing your hands and coughing toward the floor.  You will still shed viruses. 90% of the time - contact with those viruses will cause a case of measles.

Fear mongering much? The flu virus spreads the same way and where I work 90% of the people don't get the flu from sick people at work. You are just talking crazy stuff. From the year 200 to 208 about how many cases of the measles? And from those how many have died?

What should be mandatory is fro little kids in schools be isolated when they see them coughing right away since they are the least likely to learn preventative measure.

In the middle school and up, they should be educated in prevention.

Washing your hands and trying to keep from spreading your diseases is fine but making all disease control entirely based on people doing things like that absolutely perfectly all the time is simply stupid and completely ignorant of virtually every facet of ID control.  Everyone who was working in the US controlling Ebola cases was highly educated, wore far greater protective gear than any educated person today would and they still managed to make procedural mistakes.  Even when their life was on the line.

Yeah like that doctor that was told to wait for a few weeks before mingling with people because she was at high risk and she didn't! Yeah, instead of WISHFUL speaking, why don't you use your research.

Plus, you are the stupid one believe in in that there is one vaccine that cures all strains of the viruses. An as you an expert, do not understand that preventative measures are more important than curing measures.  Take for example the HIV/AIDS virus. Is not PREVENTATIVE measures more important than the cure? The same can be said for cancers too.

NO matter what you say, you seem to live in this little world of yours and have not experience real life scenarios. Go out and mingle with people and ask them things like: why they believe in vaccinations here in the USA. Ask them about the ORIGIN of the virus strains and how it enters the body. Ask them if there are any ill affects to the body of a human. Ask them what they are being injected with. Ask them how they make the vaccines in the first place? Go ahead and ask all of your educated people that live in your bubble. Lol 

[SeaMonkey]

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I mean if don't think you can beat me.  That's cool.  Nobody said you had to play but you did seem willing...or at least willing to boast about your intellect.
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Sar-Ke,

It is those rare moments of candid reflection
which help us to see that these discussions
to you are just games.  Exercises entered into
in order to boost EGO and SELF-IMPORTANCE.

Thanks for removing all doubt about your
pretense of sincerity, empathy and interest
in TRUTH.

Very sadly, LOVE OF MONEY is a highly contagious
disease which is much advanced in its goal of
ruining this planet and all life upon it.

Your condition seems to be terminal Sar-Ke.

How about coming up with a vaccine to cure
LOVE OF MONEY?  R-u-Game?

By the way, you're doing a magnificent job of
beating yourself.