Vaccinations; recent developments

[joel321]

Me:

how can they know the long term ill affects on a human when the animal being tested on does not live as a long a human.

sark:

Animal trials are used for toxicity and teratogenicity.

SO geee let me use my brain, you only test toxicity and teratogenicity while the animal is alive? So how can you test it in the long run if the animal being testes is a lab rat?

Plus that is a very vague answer to be honest.

I've also asked you the question "How do you know the long term effects of NOT getting vaccinated?" and you can't seem to answer.

The long term effects is that I won't get manipulated as they wish nor want to be part of the "outside the lad" lab rat with out my consent. I believe in medicine don't get me wrong, but they are just being too unregulated that the majority, (90-99%?) of the population do not know what they are being injected with.

Then to even be scared about measles in the USA where only like 300 people have had it and not all died from it make it MANDATORY! The anti virus software use these tactics, you know what they call it? Neither do I (actually I do) where they put fear on the people so they can buy their ANTI VIRUS SOFTWARE and not just EDUCATE them computer user how to PREVENT viruses in the first place! The only answer is to google "the best windows anti virus" right?

I mean you can see this from every angle and it does not look good. AGAIN, honestly I'm not anti-vaccine I'm just anti-corruption/justice (pro-truth). I'm sure you would want the same thing over the long run too.

Well a) They do test vaccines on humans and b) Long term effects are evaluated based on prior probability and epidemiology.  I've said this a few times now.  Are you saying you just don't understand what I mean?

On what humans do they test the medicine? On people in jail or people who volunteer? From where are you getting these "facts"? Or are you just making them up as you go?

[sarkeizen]

SO geee let me use my brain,

Don't get my hopes up.

you only test toxicity and teratogenicity while the animal is alive?

Both are usually tested by biopsy or in the case of toxicity by successive doses.

So how can you test it in the long run if the animal being testes is a lab rat?

Please phrase the question in English.  I have no idea what you are pretending to say badly.

Plus that is a very vague answer to be honest.

Yes your answer was very vague.  How about if you don't understand something you say these magic words: "When you say _____ I don't understand what that word means." 

The long term effects is that I won't get

...more stupid?  Too late.  You're not answering the question what are the NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS IN THE LONG RUN of not getting vaccinated and how can you be certain and to what confidence level can you be certain.  Please answer the question.

Then to even be scared about measles in the USA where only like 300 people have had it and not all died from it make it MANDATORY!

However if people do not get vaccinated it will get worse and the people who can not get vaccinated will be killed by you.  It's not fear it's just that I want children to die less than you do.   Iv'e already provided statistics on the likelihood of death for IC patents.

I'm just anti-corruption/justice (pro-truth).

More like you are just embracing your own prejudices. I'm not sure if there's a better idiom than "pro-stupid" but lets go with that for now.

On what humans do they test the medicine? On people in jail or people who volunteer?

People who volunteer. 

From where are you getting these "facts"? Or are you just making them up as you go?

Clinical trials database, FDA applications, drug monographs and having met many people who have enrolled in drug trials.  All of these  (except for my experiences) can be found in public places (older FDA info usually require a FOI request but ones that already released are on the internet).   Ever think of thinking before you say something stupid?

[joel321]

Well probably a little.

I'm not, I like to eat turtle soup myself bro.

So you're saying that poor quality comes from low priced labor?

Hmmm, more quantity than QUALITY ring a bell? That how the assembly line works for the most part.

It's the other way around goods where the market will bear lower quality  gravitate to cheaper labor.

huh, you don't understand how QUALITY works right? It's in the perfume, jewelry, female appearance, food, health. Blah blah blah.

Just admit the FACTS man, stop bringing in the "racist" card in the "game".

I just saw a documentary about how magnets are made in china and how the workers are dying. Pay the  person making magnets in the factory the same as one in any other place then there would be no such carelessness of human lives.  You are probably talking withing the city of china or the like.

How healthy is china regarding the air/water pollution compared to other places in the earth?

Nobody over here has moved all vaccinations over to China.

What percentage has been moved to China? lol

Only one optional vaccination was licensed as of last year.  You would know this if you did any research as the pre-qualification by WHO was big news.

OHH you you work at a place where vaccines are made eh! Cool, but then I'm wondering on what animal you test your medicinal theories on? Imported monkeys? Pigs? Rats? Mice? Anything but humans right? Inject the theoretical medicine on your mom/dad to experiment and find results? Just being real man! Sorry!

I've already provided the locations which disprove your point.  The source for that is from the Journal Pediatrics except for the last two ProQuad and MMRII which came from publicly available FDA approval letters.

Yeah well I need to look further in to that which but I don't have high hopes. Where is the source you got those results?

Dude.  You would have to be stupid not to see that I've said that from the beginning. Oh wait...

Whats is the percentage of save people in the USA with measles vaccine in the USA? Lol where the measles virus is like a ghost in the night! Did you read the part where I told you the tactics of how OS anti virus software use? How car insurance is advertised? How the pill that will make your dick grow? Etc...

[sarkeizen]

I'm not, I like to eat turtle soup myself bro.

Well you are very prejudiced against the Chinese for some reason.

That how the assembly line works for the most part.

Assembly lines have been used to increase quality. 

I just saw a documentary about how magnets are made in china and how the workers are dying. Pay the  person making magnets in the factory the same as one in any other place then there would be no such carelessness of human lives.

So you claim that some workplace in China is dangerous.  Increasing hourly rate wouldn't change anything.  In fact you could lower the safety standards when you do that and endanger more people.  Which seems to be your hobby or something.

You are probably talking withing the city of china or the like.

English please.

What percentage has been moved to China? lol

Exactly one  vaccine is approved as far as has been published.  The vast majority of recommended vaccines are made in the US, Canada or Europe.  As for the coverage of the JE vaccine I don't have the data on hand it's probably low as you generally vaccainte for JE for someone who is traveling the world.

OHH you you work at a place where vaccines are made eh!

Nope.

Cool, but then I'm wondering on what animal you test your medicinal theories on?

Animal testing depends on the disease model.  Murine model testing is the most common.

Anything but humans right?

Humans are tested during clinical trials.  Non-human animals are tested in pre-clinical trials.

Yeah well I need to look further in to that which but I don't have high hopes. Where is the source you got those results?

By "look further in" you mean "do nothing".  I told you where I got them right in that quote.  Try reading please.

Whats is the percentage of save people in the USA with measles vaccine in the USA?

I already gave data for deaths on healthy unvaccianted patients and IC patients.  Next time read before you say something stupid.

[SeaMonkey]

...Every rebuttal I've given here is laden with information from the medical field.
...

Nice try Sarkey.  But no dice.  What you've provided is in
reality a regurgitation of Medical Field Propaganda with
very little, if any, Real Science involved in its fabrication.

It is very apparent that your whole life has been one of total
immersion in the 'Alice in Wonderland' world of False Education
as propagated via the Mass Hypnosis Technologies and Mind
Control Techniques predominant in The West since the 1970s.

How unfortunate.  That you know no other Reality isn't your
fault - your mind is incapable of recognizing anything else.
You've been so fully conditioned that you are entirely dependent
upon what is fed you by The Establishment and have been
immunized against any point of view which is contradictory.

The State is your Object of Worship and your Benevolent (in your mind)
Provider;  which makes you very fearful to look behind the
curtain to see that you've been grossly deceived.

For many this state of mind isn't Terminal.  In your case this
may not be so.  Without the support of The Establishment you'd
most likely fade away into a pile of dust.

Sleep on Sarkey.  Zzzzzz.

Truth is too fearful a proposition for you to embrace.