Vaccinations; recent developments

[sarkeizen]

Well, the 'first' thing would be TIMING.     If the symptoms were very soon after the vacs, like a lot of the cases show, would you say it is completely wrong to possibly suspect the vac???

So according to you there is some time period which makes it highly likely that an event is causative.  What time period is that?  Remember the mothers article seems pretty confident so I'd figure we're talking at least 80% confidence.

My boss, his daughter got her first shot 2 years ago. The next day, blurred vision. Still has blurred vision.  But according to you, it could not be the vac. Thats just who you are.

If you learned to read at some point you would see that I'm saying two things here:

i) It is highly unlikely that the symptoms in the article you posted are related to Gardasil.
ii) One would have to be insanely ridiculously and almost entirely stupid to claim that there is some way of determining this based on a single case examined weeks out (probably the case with the GP) let alone many months out (LLMD).

[Magluvin]

So according to you there is some time period which makes it highly likely that an event is causative.  What time period is that?  Remember the mothers article seems pretty confident so I'd figure we're talking at least 80% confidence.If you learned to read at some point you would see that I'm saying two things here:

i) It is highly unlikely that the symptoms in the article you posted are related to Gardasil.
ii) One would have to be insanely ridiculously and almost entirely stupid to claim that there is some way of determining this based on a single case examined weeks out (probably the case with the GP) let alone many months out (LLMD).

Ah. So the GP and LLMD should never take into account the facts that the issues Katie was experiencing began within 5 days of the shot? That info is null and void?


"Katie's earliest symptoms began after receiving this vaccine. We searched the internet but only found vague information -- nothing that matched our daughter's symptoms."


"We asked Katie's pediatrician and other specialists if the Gardasil vaccine could be related to her symptoms but our inquiries were quickly dismissed as not having any correlation to her illness."


You seem to declare that it is impossible to diagnose if the vac caused the symptoms.  Well then, How would these docs know any better if it was caused by the vac???    Just denial.


"Katie's earliest symptoms were a constant headache or migraine that did not respond to pain relievers, stabbing 24/7 bilateral ear pain, fatigue not relieved by sleep, abdominal pain, nausea and joint pain. We called and visited her pediatrician repeatedly. We began taking Katie to specialists including Neurologists, ENT's, GI, and an OBGYN and made several visits to the Emergency Room. Katie also received many blood tests, CAT scans and an MRI. Nothing any of the doctors did relieved Katie's symptoms."

Yup, These guys didnt know what they were doing. No help from them.



"As a matter of fact, the drugs prescribed to alleviate her symptoms only made her feel worse."

Yup. Bunch of docs that have the audacity of denial, but dont know what is wrong.  Or do they??

"Our pediatrician and other doctors involved with Katie's care began suggesting that her illness was psychosomatic and recommended that we take her to a psychologist. We soon found that we were on our own,"

More denial.



"When searching the internet with Katie's symptoms, Lyme disease would always come up as the search result. In addition to asking all of Katie's doctors if the Gardasil vaccine was the cause of Katie's illness, we also began asking if Lyme disease could be the culprit. In October 2010, Katie was first tested for Lyme disease. The results were negative as were two later rounds of testing."

Isnt it funny that none of the previous doctors had even thought of lime disease before the family looked up the symptoms? Why? Because they knew it wasnt lime disease that stared it all.


" We read on the internet that ELISA and Western Blot tests for Lyme disease are unreliable and that many people who actually had Lyme disease tested negative. Since this information is all over the internet, we thought it was common knowledge to doctors as well. Instead, we were emphatically told by doctor after doctor that this was not true, that the testing for Lyme disease is highly reliable and that there was no way Katie had Lyme disease."

Hmm.  ......


"Katie could no longer go to school or participate in dance or cheerleading -- the pain and fatigue was all consuming. Nothing any of the doctors did provided any relief yet every doctor refused to consider Lyme disease or that the Gardasil vaccine was related to her illness."

Yup. All those docs. They know everything. Trust them with your life.



"Katie's list of symptoms included the following: 24/7 headaches and migraines, 24/7 stabbing ear pain, hyperacusis, fatigue, abdominal pain, nausea, all over joint pain, constant sore throat, visual disturbances, light sensitivity, cognitive issues such as memory and severe comprehension problems, random numbness and tingling, weird "bug crawling" skin sensations, generalized weakness throughout her body (it was difficult for Katie to just sit in the shower to bathe), dizziness, fainting and heart palpitations. She slept long hours and stayed in her bedroom shielding herself from the noise of everyday living."


"In May, we requested testing through a lab specializing in tick-borne disease testing. Katie's pediatrician reluctantly signed the lab Requisition Form. This time the test results showed that Katie was highly positive for Bartonella Henselae, a tick-borne disease also known as a co-infection to Lyme disease. She was also highly positive for Mycoplasma Pneumonia and the testing showed that her immune system was struggling. Katie's Western Blot for Lyme disease was negative."

Oh, but the blot testing is suppose to be sooo accurate.  Great bunch of docs.



"We took those results with us to a long awaited CHOP Diagnostic Center appointment (think the "Dr. House" of the Children's Hospital) and also to her CHOP Neurologist. Katie even had the classic Bartonella rash (looks like purple and red stretch marks) surrounding her breasts and hips which is confirmation of an active Bartonella infection. Both doctors told us that these test results only showed that Katie was "exposed" to Bartonella -- it did not mean she had an active infection. Both came to the same conclusion that her Bartonella rash was actually just stretch marks. That was particularly hard for us to believe. Katie was muscular and lean from years of dance and cheer."

Isnt that terrible that cheerleaders get those stretch marks from all that exercise?



"Neither doctor was concerned about her blazing Mycoplasma Pneumonia infection nor was the fact that the testing showed her immune system impaired."

More denial from every vantage point.



"Instead, CHOP Diagnostic Center diagnosed Katie with the beginning stages of Dysautonomia (a malfunctioning automatic nervous system). We were told that there was no cure and that symptoms were managed with medications."

Ooo. Docs take the easy way out. Blame game.



"The CHOP Neurologist wasn't in agreement with CHOP Diagnostic Center; instead she stuck to her prior diagnosis -- Chronic Migraine Disorder with Chronic Ear Pain Neuralgia. The Neurologist recommended that we continue with the same treatment of 20 pills a day even though it did absolutely nothing for Katie other than increase her nausea and head pain. We felt utter disbelief, despair and anger."

CHOP vs CHOP.   Chop sueeee.



"We found our way to a local support group for those suffering with tick-borne diseases, which provided recommendations to LLMD's (Lyme Literate Medical Doctors). Katie's first appointment with an LLMD was in June 2011. This physician spent an hour reviewing blood tests and other medical reports we collected and asked a lot of questions that had never been asked before. He clinically diagnosed Katie with Lyme disease and agreed with the test results that reported active infections with Bartonella Henselae and Mycoplasma Pneumonia."

Soooo, maybe all the previous docs should have a drink and give themselves big bonuses.



"He told us that Katie was very sick. Ironically, upon hearing that news we felt utter relief. This was the first doctor, since Katie's illness began over nine months before that acknowledged she was ill.Well, ok. No bonuses for the previous docs.



"Since that time, Katie was diagnosed with chronic Strep, HHV6, hypo-coagulation, susceptibility to bio-toxin illness (mold and environmental sensitivities) and has acquired autoimmune thyroid disease."





"After Katie was finally diagnosed with tick-borne diseases, we put our initial suspicion about the Gardasil vaccine aside. Since the treatment of tick-borne diseases is considered emerging medicine, I am always combing the internet for new information on tick-borne diseases, the latest research or treatments. To our utter disbelief, I came across an article reporting that the Gardasil vaccine can activate a latent Bartonella infection that was otherwise being suppressed by a properly functioning immune system prior to vaccination. We now believe our earliest suspicion was correct.

The 'Ah Hah" moment.  Katie is not the only one.  And you say it is improbable.  Of course you will water it down once more.



"We found many stories about devastating health changes post-vaccine. These stories are eerily familiar to our daughter's. The Gardasil vaccine is known to activate latent infections and viruses, such as Epstein Barr and Bartonella. The Gardasil vaccine deregulates the immune system and that allows latent infections and viruses, which were kept in check pre-vaccine by a then properly functioning immune system, to activate post-vaccine. Now, there is evidence that the HPV vaccine is linked to the onset of autoimmune diseases.Another Ah Hah.  This drinks on me.




"We recently consulted Katie's LLMD and also her Primary Care Physician, who reviewed Katie's vaccine log and extensive medical records. Both agree that Katie's immune system was injured by the Gardasil vaccine and that it was the catalyst to her cascading health problems and chronic illness. Katie's LLMD is now treating her for a vaccine injury in addition to treating multiple tick-borne diseases, other infections/viruses and autoimmune thyroid disease."

You must be under the belief that multiple ticks have given her multiple tick diseases.  Go on, and post that there probably isnt treatment for vac injuries, mostly because you believe that vacs dont injure people. Right???




"We deeply regret consenting to the Gardasil vaccine. We had no idea of the severe side effects some experience post vaccine. Every day, we wish we had been more informed. Parents beware of blindly following your doctor's recommended vaccine schedule. Do not rely or expect your doctor to know everything. You must do your own research and ask plenty of questions. Our family found out the hard way that it is possible for a vaccine to have lasting and devastating effects."

Amen to that.


Here is a site that has many articles on vacs and people that had problems. This site below is the source for Katies story.

http://sanevax.org/



Mags
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[sarkeizen]

Ah. So the GP and LLMD should never take into account the facts that the issues Katie was experiencing began within 5 days of the shot? That info is null and void?

Read what I wrote.  When you learn that skill.  Get back to me.

You seem to declare that it is impossible to diagnose if the vac caused the symptoms.

Actually what I've said is that it's stupid to make that claim.  There are stupid doctors and - if Katies mom is communicating their opinions accurately - these are two of them.  Tyranny of the normal distribution. 

Again I've asked you a question and you are trying very hard to avoid it.   The only thing you've clearly pointed out as an diagnosis tool for "this was caused by Gardasil" is timing.   Please let me know, in order to get the high degree of confidence that Katie's mom - what is the longest period after an event for which this level of confidence can be conferred.  Are you saying that any event within 5 days is 80% correlated?

Again, simple clear answers would be appreciated.

[SeaMonkey]

...
I'm not the one jerking off to zengardner....

Sarkey,

You've already let this cat out of the bag.  You've
revealed to all who read your postings that you're
just a tad fixated on things 'auto-erotic.'  By the way,
it is well established that those who are addicted to
The Love of Money are likewise addicted to what you
have told us your secret craving is.

You can try like the Devil on this one but it is way past
too late to weasel out.  Trying desperately to pin your
weird behaviors on others is just about the oldest trick
in the book.  Next to Ladies of the Night we're told...

If you'd care to share more about your secret proclivities
you might even score a 'date' with a like-minded reader
somewhere in these parts.  If such a thing exists, that is.

Ach!  The Weirdness of it all!

[sarkeizen]

You've already let this cat out of the bag.

That you're jerking off to zengardner? It's a euphemism. You don't actually have to admit that you do that.  This is just a forum, not "true confessions" or some other equally dated reference that you'd relate to.

While you were fixated on my exposing your particular pr0n preference.  You forgot about these comments...so I'll just remind you here.

Finding sources of Information promoted by The Establishment (Dis-Information and Propaganda) is not a problem for the vast majority.

Please find the contents of DeStefano et. al 2004.  I'll start a clock.

The links we've provided are to sources which are not as readily discovered.

Please point out an actual published study covered in one of your links which is "not readily discovered".