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Food for Thought: Our World

Started by SeaMonkey, December 05, 2014, 04:21:55 PM

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SeaMonkey

Quote from: AllCanadian
The logic which requires imaginary gods to justify the creation of the universe because it could not have come from nothing is the same logic which demands the imaginary gods also could not have come from nothing. Obviously gods are for people who don't really understand logic and reason nor care to.

It is true that there are "imaginary gods" or false gods.

We do not yet know precisely how the Universe came
to be but in due time we shall.  It certainly did not arise
from "nothing."  It is my belief that it was created by
a very wise and benevolent Creator who possesses
abundant energy.

Quote from: AllCanadian
Simply put, if a god is needed to create the universe because it cannot just be then what created god because it cannot just be either?.

That is, of course, an interesting question which many
have pondered.  There are certain things which we yet
do not have the capacity or capability to comprehend.
In due time we shall.


Quote from: AllCanadian
On the issue of Darwin there is one thing we all know as a fact...nature adapts to survive. Very soon most virus and bacteria will be immune to all antibiotics because we have literally trained them to be immune by threatening their survival and they have evolved. Which leads to a strange contradiction when we think about it... all those god fearing people will be dying in droves because the very thing they cannot believe in, evolution to survive, will be killing them through their own ignorance. To be honest I think most are too weak minded to see the irony in this when it does happen to them but hope springs eternal.

It is rather remarkable that life on Planet Earth is
capable of healing from injury, even regenerating
certain aspects of the body to restore healthy
function.  The "secret" to this phenomenon may
be the encoding of DNA;  whoever it was that conceived
of life and brought it into existence has enormous
intelligence.

The Human Mind too is a wondrous thing.  That
Man has been given the ability to think, to seek
understanding, to devise, to experience emotion,
to Love and much more reveals a great deal about
our Designer.

In due time we shall have answers to all of our
questions about all things.

It is always good to hear from you AC.  You are
a Truth Seeker there is no doubt.

AlienGrey,

You're correct about the governments of the U.S.
and Canada - in fact, just about the entire "West"
which includes most of Europe and the U.K.
We are indeed in Dire Straits!

allcanadian

@NickZ
QuoteIf every effect has to have a cause, unlike the Big Bang, which came from no previous cause nor proven effect, we should look for the cause of causes, as well. Unlike what current science has us believe, nor backs up by any proof. And which may not be a man god sitting on a thrown, at all, either. [/font]   Science is about proof, not illusions. Science and religion do not agree. [/size]  Previously there were priest/scientists,  but now... there is a separation of the two ideologies. To pick one, negates the other.


I have found science is about theories and proof which would seem to validate these theories. The problems arise when people who do not understand science read things into it which were never actually there. For instance the Big Bang Theory is just as it states a theory, not a fact, not a proof but as the term clearly states... a theory.


Theory: a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena.


On the issue of whether science and religion agree, would you believe the theory that a beaded man in a white dress created the whole universe and everything in it in six days from nothing?. I mean as far as "theories" go how would would you rate this theory on let's say a scale of 1 to 10?. As well so far as separate ideologies and religion/science are concerned there was never any agreement. One cannot say-- I am a man of science and proof following the known laws of science and physics... Oh by the way I also believe rainbow colored unicorn kittens created the universe in six days. You see it is a blatant contradiction to all that science represents and any supposed credibility one may think they have instantly evaporates into thin air.


I think the confusion here relates to perception and psychology, that is many have confused 1)respect of the right for someone to hold a belief and 2)to respect any beliefs they may hold. I think everyone should be entitled to the right to believe what they want however that does not mean I should think they have any credibility when they still believe in imaginary friends not unlike most children. Not to mention the fact these supposedly responsible adults believe this imaginary friend of theirs which created the universe is always watching over them and protecting them and determining whether they have a bad day or not.


The question we need to ask is if nobody had ever heard of gods or religion before in the history of mankind and someone proposed this how do you think would people react?. Well you may as well have said fairies and unicorns or bigfoot created the universe because the reaction would be the same. So why do so many believe something they inherently know cannot be true?, why do they believe something they could never believe the moment the context changes slightly?. Their parents forcing it on them, figures of authority, peer pressure, psychological disorders and emotional distress are generally always the cause.


Although it is not surprising as insanity seems to be the new normal and proof, facts, logic and reason would seem to mean little if nothing in this day and age of popular opinion and social media.


AC
Knowledge without Use and Expression is a vain thing, bringing no good to its possessor, or to the race.

Dog-One

AC, if you can say it sort of like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHot3XQQ_5Q

No one would ever question you.  They might ignore you, which is probably a good thing.

NickZ

   AC, SeaMonkey, and All:
   Yes, we are being let by the hand to our graves.  WE are in dire straits, no doubt.

   My favorite saying is, "the proof is in the pudding", which brings me to the subject of ETs, as it looks like it's about time they step into this arena, in the very near future.
   The rather strange manner of the guy in the channeled video, who is trying to get our attention by shaking us up out of our dreams.  "Wake the fuck up" he says.  And also making a promise, that by our Christmas time, or before, the world will know for a fact, and without a doubt, that we are not alone.
  Although most will consider this guy a joke,  I do not.  His message is what counts, so don't knock his manner by discarding the important message and promise, that he is delivering to us. To those that will listen.  So, remember what he said, so that when the time comes, people will not say, oh, what a coinsidence. 
  They who are coming again are the same ones known as the Yahyel, and have been called the "Phoenix Lights". 
  The Yahyel which have already shown themselves on several occasions, will be back once again, to test our readiness this time, to make the first open contact with their kind. They will be the first, and more to come.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWCMPyLSlSo#t=796.49021

allcanadian

@NickZ


You make some good points and I have often thought that if any one of us found ourselves 1000 years in the past we might be considered gods in our own right considering what we know concerning "normal" technology. Planes, trains and automobiles, the bicycle, the telephone, radio, AC/DC power, lights, electricity and so on. Thus it is entirely plausible that another civilization 1000 years in the future would know things we cannot possibly imagine. I mean, we have proof this is the case through our own history.


Which brings us to the question of another civilization from Earth or some other part of the universe. The fact that we exist is proof beings can exist and evolve therefore when we deny the possibility of other beings in a sense we deny our own existence and our own history.


I would agree and at some point in the future I think we will meet other beings from somewhere else. Unfortunately I also think most weak minded imbeciles will want to kill them because they are inherently barbarians and cannot deal with change because they find it upsetting. They live in their own imaginary little world where nothing can ever change and they cannot be wrong about anything and they are the center of the universe.


Myself, I'm generally wrong and not nearly as smart as I think I am, considering all the possibilities is very hard, I believe this is my strength not my weakness.


AC
Knowledge without Use and Expression is a vain thing, bringing no good to its possessor, or to the race.