Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!

[ramset]

MH
I don't really read the war threads you frequent ,or follow the back and forth Venom  ,
I just happened to read a few of the threads today that you posted on ,one reply to Wings made my hair stand up [JLN Lenz Vid] and you treatment of Luc seems like your wishing more to embarrass and less to help.


why not help focus his test with some simple suggestions,perhaps a fixed loss to ambient protocol would  help for comparison and acc't for all the power in and  and heat ?


some simple suggestions to help ,and actually acquire useful data .


I'm hittin the sack
Chet

[MileHigh]

Chet:

This is what I posted to Wings, "I have already discussed that clip and there is nothing there.  If you disagree feel free to make your points."

Why would that make your hair stand up?

Luc has just been given the straight goods from me and it's not to embarrass him.  If he wants less "critical" comments the way for him to get there is to keep on learning and improving.  That's up to him.  When anybody arrives at the wrong conclusion from a test then one of their peers should correct them.  If not you have complete stagnation where people are afraid to correct each other.

I don't really read the war threads you frequent ,or follow the back and forth Venom

Hey, I make it a point to try my best to not be abusive and use abusive terms.  At the same time I am only human.  And I do get viciously attacked and verbally abused from multiple angles on a consistent basis.  You can't even compare Luc being corrected without the benefit of a Hallmark ghost writer and the ugly and vicious attacks against me.  So perhaps you have your priorities skewed.

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyuFehBV_uA

[tinman]

The inducing magnet is attracted to the stator and locks at the location known to all as TDC.  This is true of all  presently accepted typologies, where the magnet is moved or coil is moved, and even in the situation now under discussion where an iron slug is moved between a stationary magnet and coil.  This relation leads to the well documented effects and all too familiar wave forms.  What is needed is the exact opposite of this.  What we want is strong repulsion when the magnet structure is perfectly aligned with the stator pole.  This simple change inverts the present situation,placing the point of maximum induced potential at present zero crossing (TDC proper).  This means we will experience  the greatest opposition to change in flux at the point of greatest flux density.  An idea no one here or on any other form I frequent has considered.

This simple modification changes everything, because in this situation the inducing field is in phase (geometrically) with the field which will manifest in the coil, when the coil is shorted. 

I am finding that we are do not have the proper system relations in the machines we build.  We don't understand the forces we wish to command.  Lenz isn't something we can delay, we all know this but keep saying it as if its what we are doing.  With the proper geometric relations we induce three EMF, one prior to TDC one at TDC, and one after TDC.  The induced at TDC is of  much higher amplitude and magnitude than the induced entering and leaving.   The amplitude of the wave is about rate of change, so, that should give one some insight on what relation is desired to get the highest possible induced potential for a given rpm.  In what I am calling "properly designed systems", induced potentials have the appearance of spikes, the induced losses its characteristic sinusoidal nature.


Regards

The induced at TDC is zero. When the PM is at TDC to that of the coil, is when the sine wave is at the zero volt line-the magnetic field is neither increasing or decreasing in strength,and thus no voltage or current is produced. Power is produced as the magnet approaches TDC of the coil,and as it leaves-regardless of wether it is a north field or south field or both alternating.

[TinselKoala]

The induced at TDC is zero. When the PM is at TDC to that of the coil, is when the sine wave is at the zero volt line-the magnetic field is neither increasing or decreasing in strength,and thus no voltage or current is produced. Power is produced as the magnet approaches TDC of the coil,and as it leaves-regardless of wether it is a north field or south field or both alternating.

As can be clearly seen in my scopeshots in the clip above.