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Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!

Started by gotoluc, December 16, 2014, 07:22:08 PM

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synchro1

Just like the output coil position of 30mm in JLN'S rotor video, the laminated core has a position where the output windings should be located to cause a lead rather then a lag when the reverse field from the induced current in the output wraps is reflected back to the primary. A lead out positon from the "Echo Wave" output coil would reinforce the primary input and lower power consumption. A lag position would cause the draw to rise!

Transformer efficiency can be improved just like generator coils like Gotoluc proved with proper applicaton of the DLE.

I have a "Wall Socket Watt Meter" identical to Gotoluc's that I measured the accuracy of by comparing Lux Meter watt measurements from rated bulbs to, and it demonstrated a tenth of a watt accuracy! It's not a piece of crap.

synchro1

Anyone following my other thread on "Magnet Cores, Demagnetization and Lenz Delay" can understand how a variable laminated transformer core, resembling a radio tuner, would result in an overunity power plant.

tinman

Quote from: synchro1 on December 20, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
There's only magnetizem in the laminated core. The core would need output windings to transform the magnetic flux into electricity. You may as well ask how much current and voltage there is in a permanent magnet. There is none. Only the magnetizem from the energised coil is transfered to the laminated core.

DLE is caused by a "Magnetic Phase Lag" in a core material and has nothing to do with current or voltage!
That is not true. An electric current and voltage exist in the core as well-->the core becomes 1 half of a capacitor,and the polarity is determond by the direction of current flow in the inductor.

MileHigh

Quote from: tinman on December 20, 2014, 05:13:18 PM
That is not true. An electric current and voltage exist in the core as well-->the core becomes 1 half of a capacitor,and the polarity is determond by the direction of current flow in the inductor.

There is an electric field in the core when there is changing magnetic flux at right angles to the direction of the flux.  That's what causes eddy currents.  However, you can't actually measure the voltage due to the electric field because of the CEMF generated by the eddy currents.

I don't get what you mean by the capacitor though.  Do you mean a literal capacitor, or are you using the term "capacitor" as a model for the energy in the transformer core?

What's going on inside a working transformer core while AC power is flowing through it is an interesting subject open to debate.  It's somewhat hard to visualize because in a sense "nothing" is going on.  People smarter than me might have a definitive answer on that one.

MileHigh

QuoteThere is an electric field in the core when there is changing magnetic flux at right angles to the direction of the flux.  That's what causes eddy currents.  However, you can't actually measure the voltage due to the electric field because of the CEMF generated by the eddy currents.

I'm going to take another stab at this because I am not sure of myself.  It gets complicated because you have an electric field that travels in a closed loop.  Electric fields are not "supposed" to travel in closed loops, they are supposed to go from point A to point B.  When you go around the closed loop you are back at the same voltage.  So therein lies the complicated part, the "paradox" if you will.  When you travel along an electric field you are always supposed to measure a voltage between point A and point B.

So my correction is this:  When you have eddy currents, it's due to the presence of an electric field, but you can's actually measure a voltage between two points along the circle.  It's because the electric field and the CEMF field exist at the same time and in the same place everywhere along the circle.  So you can see the effects of the electric field, the eddy currents, but you can't actually measure a voltage between to points on the circle.  Nor can you measure an electric field along the circle.

It's very similar to the enigma of the issue of measuring the electric flux, or B field, inside the core of a working transformer.