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Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!

Started by gotoluc, December 16, 2014, 07:22:08 PM

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synchro1

Quote from: wings on December 21, 2014, 07:28:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUoyuiQTrRA

Milehigh and MarkE have burdened themselves and everyone else with an entrenched and intractable position on the DLE that has turned them both into a big pain in the ass. They leave the rest of us wondering if they're paid by a "Tar Sand Corperation" to feed non-stop haywire into this forum.

tinman

I believe there may be a way to show the delay between the build up of current in the inductor and the propagation of the magnetic field. I will look into it as soon as I get back home-which im hopeing is today. Hard to get things done when your on the road 5 to 6 days a week.

MarkE

Quote from: synchro1 on December 21, 2014, 03:10:12 PM
Milehigh and MarkE have burdened themselves and everyone else with an entrenched and intractable position on the DLE that has turned them both into a big pain in the ass. They leave the rest of us wondering if they're paid by a "Tar Sand Corperation" to feed non-stop haywire into this forum.
Synchro1 you can wonder about all manner of silly ideas.  The problem is that any idea is only as good as the evidence that supports it.

gotoluc

Hi everyone,

as promised here is a video demo with accurate input power measurements done by using a DC input to the Dremel (universal motor) instead of AC which is difficult to measure.
The power is supplied by a variac connected to a full wave bridge rectifier and a 1000uf DC capacitor to smooth the DC.

Link to video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TKByKqLV0M

TEST RESULTS:

Input to Dremel on load is 60vdc @ 0.500ma = 30W
Input to Dremel off load is 60.3vdc @ 0.475ma = 28.64W

Power difference is 1.36W of extra power consumption by prime mover when coil is on load

Output is a 25 Ohm load @ 7.84vrms = 2.46W
then we subtract - 1.36W =  1.1W of gained power output which is not supplied by prime mover.


You may of noticed this is not the same coil as the first test since that one was not performing very well (too small), so I made a new one since the first one only had a half a watt gain and I was sure it would of been argued that it's just measurement error.
So I went trough the time, trouble and expense to make this new one so there's no second guessing.
Like I have said, a coil can be made to give more of this effect but more testing needs to be done to understand what are the ideal perimeters as I've seen coils with more gain then this new one but I think it's a good starting point.
A stronger magnet will also give more output. If someone is ready to pay for a larger 1" Diametrically Magnetized magnet, I'm ready to do the test: http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RX04X0DIA  please pm me and I'll send you a US address.

COIL INFORMATION:
Coil DC resistance is 2 Ohms.
Coil has 41.56mH with magnet pole in attraction to core and 49.42mH with magnet positioned between poles.
Coil is wound Bifilar but connected in parallel.
I tested the Capacitance between open wires strands and it is 38.46pf with magnet in attraction to core and 38.51pf with magnet between poles.
Coil wire (with enamel) measures 0.8mm and the core is a square Ferrite rod measuring 12mm x 12mm x 90mm long.
I can wind more turns on the coil at a later date to confirm if it give a boost in gain.

This was the first load test and more will be done to find the coils most efficient output (most watts out with minimum effect to prime mover).

Please share your thoughts as to what is contributing to this effect.

Luc

synchro1

Quote from: tinman on December 21, 2014, 06:26:39 PM
I believe there may be a way to show the delay between the build up of current in the inductor and the propagation of the magnetic field. I will look into it as soon as I get back home-which im hopeing is today. Hard to get things done when your on the road 5 to 6 days a week.

That's the "Slight of Hand" those tricksters use to keep eveyrone confused. Faraday induction and all the related laws never change and have zero relevancy as regards DLE. Phase lag in the core material is only thing that matters. Everything else stays the same. It's preposterous to imagine that anything that fantastic is taking place.

We can delay the time it takes for magetizem to travel between an ouput coil and a magnet rotor by lengthening the core. This has nothing what-so-ever to do wth the build up of current in the inductor or the propagation of the magnetic field. The only variable is the "Delay" caused by the phase lag controlled by the extended core material, and the advance or lag relative to rotor magnet TDC.

The core material delay can also be regulated by altering it's permeability. This includes an air core. All the other parameters remain unchanged.