Lenz free generator

[life is illusion]

In your drawing I see several things I want to address: The Magnet pairs should alternate in polarity (this may explain why Skywatcher123 didn't get any current).
And yes, the solenoid should be square. The most significant observation from the wire experiment is, the Lotentz force follows blindly the right hand rule! The magnetic field points away from the wire as the 90° thumb, so you should not cross the wire that way.
All we need is alternating flux, it does not matter from where the Magnet is coming. So we are approaching along the wire, as seen in the model. In your drawing you would move the PMs outward, so only the vertical sides will be in a strong field.

Using cores for the solenoid may or may not ruin the effect. This should be studied further. However, we have to expect lower watt per space, but that is fine for me if we really can turn off the Lorentz force.


Maybe a split core would be the solution, just two bars along the sides we are using. Furthermore, these sides may be longer than the width of the rectangular solenoid. A MOT secondary may work as the coil in a design like yours.

Dear dieter,
Seems like I made a mistake and didn't explain what I meant by the drawing. I was trying to show the 3 different stages that same solenoid goes through when the same pair of magnets are approaching it. I absolutely agree that magnetic polarities must be altered Sorry, my bad...
And yes, I also agree about the core. Anyways, thanks for taking your time and working on this and explaining all these for me, I appreciate it

Wish you all a Merry Christmas
Sam

[dieter]

Hi Lii
I was thinking about it some more. Even with a rectangular solenoid there are still the corners where the magnet passes by in the 90° angle. So I now am not sure anymore if my model is such a good idea.


Recalling the wire experiment, it really depends on the angle of the magnet. But that is a whole new chapter... Yes, a bar magnet has a magnetic axis, roughly seen. But when you play with two bar magnets and "feel" the shape of the magnetic fields at the pole ends by holding the two north poles together, sliding around in the repelling space, then you'll notice that the field distribution is not just axial, but spherical. I wonder if the wire reacts on the axis between the poles of the pm, or on the spherical pole.


Also interesting in the wire experiment: After the wire went left (or right, depending on the PM's pole), it would stick to the very left edge of the bar end. And the confusing thing is, with the other pole of the PM it would also stick, but on the other edge. Bit hard to explain, easily misunderstood. I mean, the same wire with the same DC current would stick on both the north pole and the south pole of the magnet, but one time at the left edge of the pole and the other time at the right edge of the pole/bar end. But that happens only when the wirevis closer then the center of the polar field. Which may indicate that the wire reacts on the spherical shape of the polar field... A lot to consider.


Nonetheless I still tend to assume it is the axis between the poles on which the wire reacts. Well, I hope so.


A further thing is the potential cummulation of wire-fields. A one winding  layer solenoid has the same responding features like a single wire. But how about a thick coil? Could it be that multiple layers are deflecting eachother towards the front? Well I got to test that.


Furthermore, I had a kind of a slightly crazy vision of the following: when the lorentz force pushes in a 90° angle relative to the mechanical force of the PM's motion and when a giroscopical force also pushes in a 90° angle relative to gravity (see Laithwaite etc.), then the two phenomena combined probably could be used to cause a force amplifier out of (yeah, some critics will jump up from their chairs now) out of a zero point energy field or however you wanna call it. Because 90+90=180 Degree and normally a reaction is already in 180°, so add 180 to that and then the Reaction does no longer oppose the action, but support or amplify it. Well if this works, then one could only hope there is enough friction, otherwise it would recursively amplify itself and finally kick the planet out of the orbit ^^ Even if that would definitely proof that there is no (more) pink unicorn in TK's backyard, we probably don't want to go that far...


Maybe a bit more practical is an approach that as far as I am concerned is called GAP. Following again the wire experiment outcome, when you approach a magnet frontal to a solenoid, then the Lorentz force should be in a perfect 90° angle. This would have to be a piston type of engine, instead of a rotating one. I am not sure if the continous accelleration and braking of the piston mass would cause additional energy consumption if a spring system is used (anyone?), but as far as I see, the induction of such a frontal proximation of PM and Coil (unlike the common drive-by method) would be "Lenz-free".


Peace

[life is illusion]

Also interesting in the wire experiment: After the wire went left (or right, depending on the PM's pole), it would stick to the very left edge of the bar end. And the confusing thing is, with the other pole of the PM it would also stick, but on the other edge. Bit hard to explain, easily misunderstood. I mean, the same wire with the same DC current would stick on both the north pole and the south pole of the magnet, but one time at the left edge of the pole and the other time at the right edge of the pole/bar end. But that happens only when the wirevis closer then the center of the polar field. Which may indicate that the wire reacts on the spherical shape of the polar field... A lot to consider.

Hi dieter

I will read your last comment more carefully tomorrow and I will give it more time and thought but for now I would like to send you the results of what I have seen from playing with a wire and permanent magnet I hope the size of the pics are gonna be ok I have noticed that the wire lifts up from the surface of the magnet at the beginning and then it will move towards the other edge, but if we give it some space, it will go to the equator of magnet. I have a magnet viewing film and by that I can clearly see that there is a fine line separating the the N hemisphere and S hemisphere ( You are absolutely right, they are hemispheric shape). To me it seems like the field is coming out of N pole and goes to the equator and then a second field (S pole) starts coming out form the equator (couple of mm from where the N went in) and goes to the other end of the magnet (S pole). I'm in my girlfriend's parent's house and I don't have access to my stuff, other wise I would take a video and show you the action Please let me know what you think.

Best Regards
Sam

[dieter]

Yes! That's about what happens. Although I am not sure if the wire travels all the way down to the neutral spot, but there certainly is not much (probably close to zero, if not less than) resistance against travelling from the upper right edge to the neutral zone.


Remarkable is the fact that it goes right all the time, even when it should stop in the center, when you watch the direction arrows.


This clearly proofs that the current causes an electronic spin of high speed that gyroscopicly shifts the angular momentum of magnetical attraction or repulsion by 90°.


Search for Laithwaite or Gyroscopical recession on Youtube to see the same thing with mass and gravity on a macroscopical scale.


Peace.

[dieter]

Here is one possible conclusion to the observation being made (which would be the piston system):