Lenz free generator

[shylo]

I don't think you can eliminate Lenz.
You can only re-direct it.
It is part of a whole.You can't have one without the other.
artv

[dieter]

Thanks Ron and thanks Shylo,


I'm not gonna eliminate Lenz... he's dead already ^^


And I think he was wrong in saying "will always oppose..."


See, I tried to explain this to many people, some of which have a masters degree in electrotechnics, and none of them understood what I was talking about, but they all recited wikipedia "truths".


From my point of view, if we can achieve a decrease of field strength instead an increase while approaching and also retain the polar alignement of the rotors magnet then it is only a question of elegant design.


The fixed PM, sitting viceversa the also fixed coil, can be superstrong, and the "old" lenz effect will totally act on it, but, stabile fixture given, it doesn't matter at all. Because the rotor reacts in the opposite way.
kr

[Thaelin]

Hi Dieter:
   I have always had the idea that a lot of the so called "laws of what ever" are in real life still theory that just cant be revoked. So far they will still stand up under what we know. If we learn something new that seems to invalidate these laws, then the authority peeps would have to relearn and that is always a fight to the end.    Perpetual what did you say???

thay

[dieter]

Indeed, socalled accepted science has proofable flaws, and by simply ignoring them, accepted science is pseudoscience, that I do not really accept. Logically, accepted science is only accepted by some, beut they're good in socially sucking up, the tbeir voice counts billionfold. Of course it's not all wrong what they say. Even a blind chicken does find a grain from time to time. But eg. Lenz or Kelvins 2nd law of thermodynamics are not laws, but approximations, or high probabilities under conventional circumstances.


Please see here for my continuation of the reverse lorentz force drive:
http://overunity.com/17116/searching-for-buddy-in-promising-magnet-motor-project/msg499501/#new

kr

[dieter]

[/font]Hi Dieter,Here is my build of your first version:The 'slugs' are cast iron, the magnets two 1/8th x 1 inch neos, the motion about 10 mmThe induced voltage is only 1.21 volts pk to pkIn the scope shot, channel A is a small air core coil to show normal induction (no slug) and to provide the trigger. note that normally the two channels would be 180 degrees out of phase but I have left one channel connected backwards to show the comparison better.In channel A the peak voltage is when the magnet approaches the coil most closely.In channel B the maximum voltage is when the slug approaches the coil/core. There is another peak when the slug approaches the magnet.Unfortunately because of the large gaps the output is very feeble, to the point of being unusable as a practical device.Four second video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQkmiot6_8w&feature=youtu.beRon

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I want to exhume this thread, because the replication attempt has certain flaws that became clear only recently, by studying a crude test setup and by FEMM Simulation. FEMM now clearly indicates a violation of the law of energy conservation.


In a nutshell again the principle:


The stator has both, a coil and at a distance a strong  PM, facing the coil. Between these two passes by the Rotor element. Its function is to lower the magnetic field of the PM on the coil side. Hence we got current flow.
The rotor consists on the PM side of a shield, that adsorbs most of the PM's field and angles it 90 deg.


Ron basicly did just this. The idea btw. is definitely not to "bridge" the gap and increase the fieldstrength with the slugs (that''s just plain conventional), but to lower it! And as much as possible. But even now, we have an undesired axial polarity in this shield: the coil's reactive field would be of the same polarity like the closer end of the shield, and therefor repell it: exactly what we don't want, and the reason why Ron's Replication (btw. I never claimed to have a working OU model) didn't serve a free lunch.


But by software simulation a way was found to prevent this undesired shield polarity, simply by having a 2nd layer at the bottom of the shield, maybe 2mm spacer between them, and made of relatively weak permanent magnets. By this shield, according to FEMM, all fieldlines, emanating from the coil's side of the shield/rotor element, are forced into the direction that is given by this PM layer with slight superimposition of the strong stator PM.


So this time, the reactive field faces an unlike pole at the closer end of the approaching shield/rotor.


As the rotor passes by, the coils polarity flips and it will now repell the rotor that is already moving away.


For this to take place, a current must flow in the coil,but thw load must be low enough so the reactive field does not entirely prevent the fieldstrength drop caused by the shield.


That's it so far. If anybody is really interested, I've given all my data. But I may not continue my blig here, due to lack of interest, an eerie unexplixable ignorance like a glitch in the matrix.
kind regards


see also:


http://overunity.com/17116/searching-for-buddy-in-promising-magnet-motor-project/msg500202/#new