Lenz free generator

[i_ron]

Hi Ron,

Most all people don't have a lot of time, most don't have a lot of patience, most are easily worn down by small things...

Everyone has their own path, we see much interest at the beginning of the thread, then it runs down and we see that it appears as if we are wasting our time. Even though a thread may have a lot of reads, we see no real progress as we don't see what others are doing.

A lot of people keep their work secret.

A lot want to take others work and profit from it. Or take the credit for others work.

This, subjects of interest, come and go like the seasons, Change must come slowly and steadily.

But there must be stamina and patience, for things are easily lost without these quality's!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

You are describing the real world there... unfortunately, lol


Anyway that picture of the cast iron mag base model threw me ... I assumed this was what they were building and talking about but in reality Butch's device seems to be some some strange double rotor thing with the coils in the middle... yet they talk about no gap needed and cogging in the gap, so I get confused. I will stick with the one you posted, I can visualize that and understand how it might work.


Ron

[EMJunkie]

You are describing the real world there... unfortunately, lol


Anyway that picture of the cast iron mag base model threw me ... I assumed this was what they were building and talking about but in reality Butch's device seems to be some some strange double rotor thing with the coils in the middle... yet they talk about no gap needed and cogging in the gap, so I get confused. I will stick with the one you posted, I can visualize that and understand how it might work.


Ron

Hi Ron - Yes good idea. The Wardforce Generator is a very good learning tool. I was never able to get more out than in, but I saw some amazing effects in this device that helped me!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

[Magluvin]

I guess the point Im trying to make is, in my experience, so far, Lenz or no lenz, the inputs and the outputs should be similar as in the In is always more than the Out.

I have been thinking more about the multi core inductors that I had worked with some time back. Some new thoughts on things comes along with time past. No matter what your education level, in the real world, we run into things that are just not taught nor given experiences in. So many times I have run into new things and had seen(in my mind) possible potentials to them, more before I experience the thing.  Like BiFi windings. We were not taught of the capacitance of the windings and how the windings interact capacitively at much greater voltage difference between the 2 separate wires next to each other. The only thing I remember on having 2 wires wound together as such was used in a relay winding, where the higher current winding had the field strong enough to pull the relay closed, and then you switch power to the low current winding to hold the relay switch closed to save/reduce power input if the relay was going to be in the closed position a long time.

Ive done many tests so far on bifi. Some are very useful for certain things. But nothing so far to get OU that I know of or maybe failed to realize along the way. But as time goes on, there is a baby Mags in my head that seems to be working on these things in the background and posts it on the board behind my forehead.

Anyway, this discussion on lenz gave me new thoughts on what some may call, Russian Ragdolls, multi core transformers. I got this one out because I have some new ideas on how to test it in some different configurations and some resonance tests.

So while I think more on that, Im going to try and get these other tests on the toroid, adding secondaries where maybe the stator coil is shorted and we check the output of the secondary as the rotor spins.  Just wondering if loading the secondary will add more drag on the rotor than what the shorted stator winding has already.  I kinda want to say it will be more but will have to see.

Mags

[forest]

First, you can take frequency as a energy multiplier if Lenz law is acting not against us.
Second you can use capacitor disruptive discharge.
But in fact if you look closely it all is based on simple laws ...
If you know how to avoid "Lenz problem" then you can use magnetic field many times. The effect is like in Tariel Kapanadze video - device will work (for a while) even when turned off .

[Magluvin]

First, you can take frequency as a energy multiplier if Lenz law is acting not against us.
Second you can use capacitor disruptive discharge.
But in fact if you look closely it all is based on simple laws ...
If you know how to avoid "Lenz problem" then you can use magnetic field many times. The effect is like in Tariel Kapanadze video - device will work (for a while) even when turned off .

Hey Forest

"If you know how to avoid "Lenz problem" then you can use magnetic field many times."

So what I think you mean......

Say we have a toroid core and we wind a primary on the left side and say 3 secondaries on the right, then we apply input to the primary. So now we load 1 sec. If no lenz for this transformer, then the input would remain constant no matter how many secondaries we load.

But so far, we dont have that capability.

Makes me think though...

Lets say we have a transformer with 2 secondaries. Each secondary has a diode and a cap in series, one with the diode in a polarity that charges its cap during the on pulse of the primary, and the other secondary with its diode in polarity to collapse current when the input pulse is turned off.

So the primary pulse should be long enough just to fully charge the first secondaries cap, and off long enough to let the collapse current charge the second secondary cap.  Once the first secondary cap is full, the primary field is at max. So did we use the 'field produced' more than once? Is there more total energy in the 2 caps than what was used to initially produce the field?

Mags