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Lenz free generator

Started by life is illusion, December 21, 2014, 03:20:03 PM

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i_ron

Quote from: tinman on September 17, 2016, 08:05:52 AM
Well since it seems that there is only to be rubbish posted here on this thread,here is some more.

See how poor old Petey struggles to explain his own solenoid motor,and gets it drastically wrong.
Another bathroom heater on display by the Macrame Army

The resistance of the coil stays the same--LOL
These guys really need to learn about changing coil inductance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU


Brad


The macrome army is gradually learning, See P L is sneaking up on 'how to build a solenoid'.


A real one should look like this...(below)


Ron


EMJunkie

Quote from: i_ron on September 17, 2016, 11:43:43 AM

Thanks Chris! We will see how it performs yet, eh? These things, so simple, do take time to construct.


In discussing the concept with Gyula, I had asked him what he thought of laminations, low speed and heavy gauge wire for the coils... so this is what I am working towards as a first build.  But today is shot for projects as we are off up island for my bro-in-law's birthday and Sunday is my day of rest, soooo, next week I can start the coils...


Ron



The Magnetic Flux Interactions in the WardForce Generator are very interesting to study Ron. Where one Flux is Relative to the Other! Changing the load can make a difference!

There is a lot to learn in this device, like I said, I found the WardForce Generator a great learning tool!

Perhaps, the most usefull is the Electromagnetic Induction component! Engineering the best output result for the most efficent Shaft Torque.

Honestly, the takedown video is not along the same lines as the orriginal device, this is misssing the small Air Gap, which is important!

The Video posted, is not the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiEMKic_jx4


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


EMJunkie

Quote from: i_ron on September 17, 2016, 11:50:40 AM

Quote from: tinman on September 17, 2016, 08:05:52 AM
Well since it seems that there is only to be rubbish posted here on this thread,here is some more.

See how poor old Petey struggles to explain his own solenoid motor,and gets it drastically wrong.
Another bathroom heater on display by the Macrame Army

The resistance of the coil stays the same--LOL
These guys really need to learn about changing coil inductance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU


Brad

The macrome army is gradually learning, See P L is sneaking up on 'how to build a solenoid'.


A real one should look like this...(below)


Ron




This is mostly right, but why, well many will know the answer, but many wont!

Inductance has several factors that play a role in the "Value" of the Inductance. One factor is Core Material, this changes the "Value" of the Permeability (µ). This in turn changes the Coils Impedance (Z) = R + j X which has a "Value" measured in Ohms (Ω)

Where:
   R = DC Resistance (R)
   J = Indicating the Imaginary Unit
   X = Reactance (X)

And the + can be a Plus (+) or a Negative sign (-) indicating the Lead, Capacitive (XC) or Inductive (XL) of the Reactance (X).

So, PL's Motor is at maximum Inductance (L) at Top Dead Centre (TDC) and as the Plunger falls the Inductance (L) will drop – All other above mentioned "Values" will change along with these changes.

For Example, why is it so, that if a Transformer Core Saturates, Electrical Breakdown or Burnout will occur? Because the Inductance (L) is mostly lost, thus the Reactive (X) components are lost, and the Coil is a straight DC Resistance (R)!

So PL's Motor does see total change in Impedance, but the cycle, On / Off periods, will have a changing Reactance (X), but the DC Resistance (R) will stay the same. So one may see:  Z = 12 + j10 at the start of the Cycle, then see:  Z = 12 +j80 at top dead centre. This is a total "Value" measured in Ohms(Ω)

This is why Erfinders Air Cored 50Hz 10KVA Transformer will never work!!! It will have to be made the size of the Earth to make the Inductance (L) and thus the Reactance (X) high enough! I am exaggerating somewhat but you get the idea.

Being that the Magnetic Field (B), due to the flow of Cirrent (I) does change the Inductance (L) thus the Reactance (X) it would be interesting to Graph this and see the data. The Changes may not be as great as one may think. Or it may be more?


Ron you're right, a closed Keeper is much more efficient, PL did show this in one of his videos. The Murakami Army seems to be losing all its momentum! A struggle for new blood is occurring! Have a nice time at the party!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org






EMJunkie




A Coil's Inductance can vary greatly with the smallest change in Magnetic Field, so assuming the other parameters stay the same in a dynamically changing System is not a very safe bet!

The parametric Oscillator is dependent on the Inductance changing in the right direction during operation of the System. See Below Image:

Like I said, the Core Saturation reduces Inductance. The Coil is considered to become an Air Core at Saturation. So, a System that is the reverse, where the Inductance goes up as a result of the operation is more in line with a Parametric Oscillator.

The Inductance of a Coil is defined as:
Quote

the property of an electric conductor or circuit that causes an electromotive force to be generated by a change in the current flowing.


A change in Current is the same as the change in the Magnetic Field! EMF is what we are looking to maximise and capitalise on.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


tinman

Quote from: EMJunkie on September 17, 2016, 05:42:46 PM
The macrome army is gradually learning, See P L is sneaking up on 'how to build a solenoid'.


A real one should look like this...(below)


Ron





This is mostly right, but why, well many will know the answer, but many wont!

Inductance has several factors that play a role in the "Value" of the Inductance. One factor is Core Material, this changes the "Value" of the Permeability (µ). This in turn changes the Coils Impedance (Z) = R + j X which has a "Value" measured in Ohms (Ω)

Where:
   R = DC Resistance (R)
   J = Indicating the Imaginary Unit
   X = Reactance (X)

And the + can be a Plus (+) or a Negative sign (-) indicating the Lead, Capacitive (XC) or Inductive (XL) of the Reactance (X).

So, PL's Motor is at maximum Inductance (L) at Top Dead Centre (TDC) and as the Plunger falls the Inductance (L) will drop – All other above mentioned "Values" will change along with these changes.

For Example, why is it so, that if a Transformer Core Saturates, Electrical Breakdown or Burnout will occur? Because the Inductance (L) is mostly lost, thus the Reactive (X) components are lost, and the Coil is a straight DC Resistance (R)!

So PL's Motor does see total change in Impedance, but the cycle, On / Off periods, will have a changing Reactance (X), but the DC Resistance (R) will stay the same. So one may see:  Z = 12 + j10 at the start of the Cycle, then see:  Z = 12 +j80 at top dead centre. This is a total "Value" measured in Ohms(Ω)

This is why Erfinders Air Cored 50Hz 10KVA Transformer will never work!!! It will have to be made the size of the Earth to make the Inductance (L) and thus the Reactance (X) high enough! I am exaggerating somewhat but you get the idea.

Being that the Magnetic Field (B), due to the flow of Cirrent (I) does change the Inductance (L) thus the Reactance (X) it would be interesting to Graph this and see the data. The Changes may not be as great as one may think. Or it may be more?


Ron you're right, a closed Keeper is much more efficient, PL did show this in one of his videos. The Murakami Army seems to be losing all its momentum! A struggle for new blood is occurring! Have a nice time at the party!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

As with all electromagnetic induction machines,i was referring to the resistance of current flow through the coil-impedance,caused by a change in inductance value.
Of course the stationary DC resistance remains the same,but what good is a stationary(not running) motor?.
When explaining a running motor as such as PL was !trying! to do,you should always be referring to the resistance to current flow,not the bloody rest state resistance of a coil of wire.

You can place all the keepers you like around the coil,to try and make it more efficient,but simply replacing that chunk of iron(the piston) with a PM will improve the efficiency of that solenoid motor 5x plus for the same P/in,and no keepers required around the coil--oh,and it will also deliver more electrical energy to the charge battery.

Once again,like JMs dynaflux generator,we see the macrame army bringing out the worst of the worst.
The books of secrets should be renamed to--how to make idiotic bathroom heaters.

These guys(the macrame army crew),try so hard to push motors that are not generator-such as the one PL just showed in that video. This thread title is about trying to defeat Lenz,when in actual fact,you should be trying to increase Lenz,trying to make a motor that is also a very efficient generator. I have shown just how much current a brushed DC motor draws when there is no self induced BackEMF--12 volts at over 15 amps,but when the BackEMF is present,it draws 12 volts at 300mA--and can now also do work.

Through replicating Luc's work(his latest DUT),we now have a way to see what the BackEMF value is--as the motor is running--on the fly,while increasing and decreasing the load on that motor.

Now that is useful--unlike that solenoid motor PL showed.


Brad