Lenz free generator

[allcanadian]

@tinman

Both are transformers,that transform one form of energy into other forms of energy.

In reality there is no transformation and energy is energy.

An electric motor takes electrical energy, and transforms it into both heat and mechanical energy.[/size]An electric generator takes mechanical energy,and transforms it into electrical and heat energy.The potentials of this transformation are always equal,as you cannot create or destroy energy.

In an electric motor the energy of the charges in motion as a current is transferred through a field change to cause the mass of charges of a rotor to move. Simply put the moving electrons as the input current lose energy and the charges in the mass of the rotor gain energy as well as causing the oscillating motion of charges we call heat.
There is no true transformation and only the scale on which the motion takes place and the kind of motion has changed. The change in energy of all the input charges and the change in energy of all the output charges are equal or conserved. If we took a shotgun and shot electrons at our rotor which then caused the rotor to move would we say the energy has been transformed?. Well no we would say it has been transferred from the gun to the rotor through the interaction of the charges and the fields.
We have a really warped way of looking at things in my opinion and it is not all that difficult to understand once we start looking at things from the proper perspective.
AC

[shylo]

Hi Tinman, "The potentials of this transformation are always equal,as you cannot create or destroy energy."
I agree 100 percent
Just got to use them at the right time
artv.

[lancaIV]

Hi Tinman, "The potentials of this transformation are always equal,as you cannot create or destroy energy."
I agree 100 percent
Just got to use them at the right time
artv.

25 : 75 dis-/agreement ;

50 : 50  a. energy as mass : hyper time-/space- beam ?
25 : 75  b. energy as free mass becomes assimilated


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[tinman]

@tinman

In reality there is no transformation and energy is energy.

In an electric motor the energy of the charges in motion as a current is transferred through a field change to cause the mass of charges of a rotor to move. Simply put the moving electrons as the input current lose energy and the charges in the mass of the rotor gain energy as well as causing the oscillating motion of charges we call heat.
There is no true transformation and only the scale on which the motion takes place and the kind of motion has changed. The change in energy of all the input charges and the change in energy of all the output charges are equal or conserved. If we took a shotgun and shot electrons at our rotor which then caused the rotor to move would we say the energy has been transformed?. Well no we would say it has been transferred from the gun to the rotor through the interaction of the charges and the fields.
We have a really warped way of looking at things in my opinion and it is not all that difficult to understand once we start looking at things from the proper perspective.
AC

You contradict your self AC

Quote: There is no true transformation
Quote: and the kind of motion has changed

To transform-->make a marked change in the form, nature, or appearance of.

I stand by what i say.


Brad

[tinman]

Interesting view, however, I am not wrong as you stated.

Energy is not real,, Energy is a tool made by man in an attempt to compare all things including those that are not the same,, so indeed you can not create or destroy that that is not real.

Now if you care to read where I said "by some means",, I suppose that is rather vague, maybe to simple,, and maybe the visualization of a pump being the IO of an internal system with something external is to simple, but that is how it works.

Just think of how complicated it would get if I were to replace "by some means" with the exact method for all possible conditions, just so it would be exact.

I guess you are not agreeing that when the pump is pumping it is adding\subtracting its input\output energy to\from the potential.

As i stated,any and all energy transformations happen at an equal,where the sum of the energy transformed into what !we! know as another form,will always result in no losses,and all accounted for energy will equal that which created it-->with the exception of only one.

Energy is not real,, Energy is a tool made by man

That is incorrect.
The entity that we have named !energy! has always existed-the atom has always been,where man is still very young.We have only just begun to try and work out !energy!,and like all things,we gave this entity (energy) a name-like we do with everything,so as we know what we are discussing or talking about. Only the name is man made,and the name given to this entity is energy,and so, energy is real.

Why add unnecessary confusion by saying !energy! is not real ?--your starting to sound like AC .
It is funny when you think about it---energy was required to move your fingers across the keyboard to type-energy is not real 

Brad