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Reboot: Is the "delayed Lenz effect" real or just a misunderstanding?

Started by MileHigh, December 22, 2014, 03:27:02 PM

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MileHigh

Quote from: synchro1 on December 25, 2014, 05:41:29 PM
MarkE'S comment is too eclectic and obtuse to be of any value. He thinks too big. He's all over the map with a rambling comment that is completely directionless. All he's out to do is flummox people into thinking he's a top brain when he's just a phony punk. MarkE is guilty of "Free association". He can't stick to the point.

It's a topsy-turvy world sometimes.  MarkE is highly educated and really knows his stuff.  Granted, he speaks at a technical level that will be above many people.  If you really want to through, you have your magic computer on your desk that can access millions of terabytes of data.  Syncro1 is guilty of the very criticisms that he directs towards MarkE.  Synchro1 is the one that is all over the map and the "secret sauce" that he talks about changes from week to week.

So although it may be tough to follow sometimes, MarkE is brilliant and knows his stuff.  He is knowledgeable across many disciplines also.

tinman

Quote from: MileHigh on December 25, 2014, 06:32:50 PM
It's a topsy-turvy world sometimes.  MarkE is highly educated and really knows his stuff.  Granted, he speaks at a technical level that will be above many people.  If you really want to through, you have your magic computer on your desk that can access millions of terabytes of data.  Syncro1 is guilty of the very criticisms that he directs towards MarkE.  Synchro1 is the one that is all over the map and the "secret sauce" that he talks about changes from week to week.

So although it may be tough to follow sometimes, MarkE is brilliant and knows his stuff.  He is knowledgeable across many disciplines also.
But is he one or many?

Anyway,im still not done with this subject yet,must look at it a little more,a few more experiments to do yet.
Dose a wave roll quicker through water or oil?. Is there something that can hinder the speed at which the magnetic wave/field can travel through the iron core that is the lenz force?.
Has anyone ever done an experiment to see if current flows through a 1 ohm resistor faster or slower than it dose through a 1k ohm resistor?

MarkE

Quote from: tinman on December 25, 2014, 07:17:12 PM
But is he one or many?

Anyway,im still not done with this subject yet,must look at it a little more,a few more experiments to do yet.
Dose a wave roll quicker through water or oil?. Is there something that can hinder the speed at which the magnetic wave/field can travel through the iron core that is the lenz force?.
Has anyone ever done an experiment to see if current flows through a 1 ohm resistor faster or slower than it dose through a 1k ohm resistor?
Are you suggesting that I am really a group of people? 

The speed at which waves propagate does indeed depend on the medium that they propagate through.  An E/M wave propagates more slowly through materials that have higher uR * eR products than smaller uR * eR products.  Let us suppose that one has a lossless transmission line.  For some design frequency one can construct either a quarter wave long line or a half wave long line.  A quarter wave line transforms transfer impedance between ports from high to low.  If we drive a quarter wave line that is open at the far end, it looks like a short to the near end that we drive.  If we short the far end, then the near end looks like an open.  In the half wave case, the line reflects the far end impedance to the source.  If the far end impedance is low, then the source sees a low impedance.  If the far end impedance is high, then the source sees a high impedance.  If the transmission line is real, then the the transformations degrade.  In all cases we are talking about a combination of loss mechanisms and storage mechanisms.  Neither create energy.  Ideal storage mechanisms, none of which truly exist, simply hold onto energy for some time allowing us to get that energy back later.

gotoluc

Quote from: tinman on December 25, 2014, 07:17:12 PM
Has anyone ever done an experiment to see if current flows through a 1 ohm resistor faster or slower than it dose through a 1k ohm resistor?

That's an excellent question Bard!... Just yesterday I found power calculations issues when using different resistive loads and it was only between 1 and 12.5 Ohms
What I found is a higher resistive value seemed to yield a better power efficiency.

Luc

TinselKoala

Quote from: tinman on December 25, 2014, 07:17:12 PM
But is he one or many?

Anyway,im still not done with this subject yet,must look at it a little more,a few more experiments to do yet.
Dose a wave roll quicker through water or oil?. Is there something that can hinder the speed at which the magnetic wave/field can travel through the iron core that is the lenz force?.
Has anyone ever done an experiment to see if current flows through a 1 ohm resistor faster or slower than it dose through a 1k ohm resistor?

You're kidding, right? Sitting at a working computer, asking if current flows at different speeds through different values of resistors? 

Just in case you aren't kidding, you can easily do the experiment yourself. Use two resistors of the same kind and power capacity: for example two metal film 1/4 watt resistors. Keep your wiring lengths the same, and as short as possible, so that your results aren't contaminated by inductive effects. Send a pulse from your FG through both resistors in parallel, and monitor what comes out the other ends with your 2-channel oscilloscope. Do you detect any phase difference in the signal outputs from the two resistors?

As MarkE points out:
QuoteThe speed at which waves propagate does indeed depend on the medium that they propagate through.  An E/M wave propagates more slowly through materials that have higher uR * eR products than smaller uR * eR products.
So if your resistors are the same type, they should both have the same transmission speed (the speed of light in that medium) and their actual resistance value should make no difference, if their effective lengths are the same.