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Advanced and Delayed magnetic field's.

Started by tinman, December 27, 2014, 05:03:57 AM

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MarkE

Quote from: ramset on December 28, 2014, 08:03:30 AM
Simulators..


I think the problem here goes all the way back to the
"Problem here"


semantics ... we have grown to use certain phrases [Lenz delay}" to explain certain paths for experiment ...and certain persons know this but it drives them Nuts [like most of what we do here]


so they spend a zillion hours and a squillion words "teaching"...when perhaps it should just go back to magic...
when it comes to what we are trying to do ..
beat Lentz
Beat friction
Beat Gravity
beat "known Laws of magnetism"
Beat Bouyancy
etc etc etc
What separates those who have a chance of advancing knowledge from those who have virtually no chance is the ones who have a chance are careful to learn what our current understanding is and how that understanding came about.  From there they can see where there may be inconsistencies and / or issues that have not already been thoroughly evaluated.
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welcome to Overunity.com ...this is what we do here
and we don't expect simulators to be of much use...
experiments "yes"
simulations ..not so much ...here perhaps we will add to the knowledge base of the simulator
maybe not today ...
?


is that arrogance??
No
Its Human nature..we were born this way.........
If a simulator that conforms to conventional understanding reproduces an observation then there is a very good chance that the conventional view accounts for the observation.  It is a form of deliberate ignorance to reject capable tools because one hopes that the tools overlook something. Those hoping to find the exceptional should use whatever methods they can to separate out the merely routine from curiosities.
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thx
Chet

ramset


Mark E
You have such a gift..A knack for stating the profoundly obvious...

it pays to pay attention...


but you already know that.


thx
Chet
Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

tinman

Quote from: MarkE on December 28, 2014, 08:26:58 AM
What separates those who have a chance of advancing knowledge from those who have virtually no chance is the ones who have a chance are careful to learn what our current understanding is and how that understanding came about.  From there they can see where there may be inconsistencies and / or issues that have not already been thoroughly evaluated.If a simulator that conforms to conventional understanding reproduces an observation then there is a very good chance that the conventional view accounts for the observation.  It is a form of deliberate ignorance to reject capable tools because one hopes that the tools overlook something. Those hoping to find the exceptional should use whatever methods they can to separate out the merely routine from curiosities.
I have no time for simulator's-never have,never will--> it is a lazy mans tool. How do you expect to find the unknown using a device based around only known perameter's. A device that dosnt take into account simple things provided by nature itself. Nothing!and i mean nothing! is as exact as the DUT itself,being used or tested in the enviroment it is in. Here is a simple test for your simulator-please simulate the electrical impulses sent to the human brain while that person is eating ice cream. Thats right,only a machine(test equipment) that is attached to the actual device(the human eating the ice cream)can detect exactly what those impulses are,and the reactions going on in the machine.

Sorry,but no sim's for me-->DUT only.

MarkE

Quote from: tinman on December 28, 2014, 08:47:40 AM
I have no time for simulator's-never have,never will--> it is a lazy mans tool. How do you expect to find the unknown using a device based around only known perameter's. A device that dosnt take into account simple things provided by nature itself. Nothing!and i mean nothing! is as exact as the DUT itself,being used or tested in the enviroment it is in. Here is a simple test for your simulator-please simulate the electrical impulses sent to the human brain while that person is eating ice cream. Thats right,only a machine(test equipment) that is attached to the actual device(the human eating the ice cream)can detect exactly what those impulses are,and the reactions going on in the machine.

Sorry,but no sim's for me-->DUT only.
Tinman simulators are incredibly useful tools for cutting down lab time.  Mistakes are as easy to make in measurements as they are in simulations.  One checks the other.  When they agree we have high confidence in what we think we see.  When they don't agree it is time to look more closely.

MarkE

Quote from: ramset on December 28, 2014, 08:41:49 AM
Mark E
You have such a gift..A knack for stating the profoundly obvious...

it pays to pay attention...


but you already know that.


thx
Chet
And yet so often here we see people reject the "profoundly obvious".