Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[MarkE]

I can see multiple ways that a setup like this could be arranged to achieve the effect by deceit. Even by mistake.

If I remember correctly the vacuum cleaner motors I've messed with that look like Tinmans motor all required that I cut the field coils series connections to the brushes.
The standard motors have the field coils hard wired in series with the brushes, I had to cut the coils connections to the brushes then fit wire extensions and terminals to
the field coils and secure that.

It takes more than a quick glance to see the actual coil connections.

When I completely disconnect the field coils and run the motor from just the brushes the field coils are capable of producing very little power, I am confident that there is a mistake of some kind.

Shorting the field coils with a diode does improve the efficiency over just powering the brushes with no shorting but there is no comparison to the motor running in the standard configuration.

Considering the claims of MIB's and stuff I'm calling bunk on the demo's.

There is no reason to believe the drawings reflect the device demonstrated.

So for me there is only a magic show performed, I've seen better magic shows.

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While what has been shown is woefully inadequate to convince me that hundreds of years of modern physics is wrong, I do not suspect any intentional effort to mislead by tinman.

[Farmhand]

Yeah I don't say Tinman is intentionally misleading or anything. Just that I am confident that there is some kind of mistake, and that I can see multiple ways to fake the results if I didn't show clearly all the wire traces and connections.

The provided drawing I think has some problems as far as "electrical viability" goes, but maybe I'm wrong.

Can we talk about how the mosfet is driven and how it would be arranged to short the coil while that happens ? We have to assume the mosfet is driven hard on to reduce its resistance sufficiently.

I'm seeing a kind of an AC signal produced on the field coils, so I am assuming the waveform to some degree should resemble a simple diode placed the correct way across the coil which produces a double lump looking trace" at least before the mosfet is switched "on", considering the internal body diode in the mosfet.

I'm also seeing a lot of heat produced in the rotor as I would expect with all that current and slow rotation. bearings are good.

Below is a scope shot which is a kind of false or double trigger but ignore that to see the type of trace produced across a diode placed to shunt one field coil. Somehow I fail to believe that anything much can be done with that. I would get a better shot but it's packed away, I thought the shot would be ok but I didn't check it, it's a false trigger. It's just a rectified lopsided AC signal. Doing that does speed up the motor slightly.

It seems all that will be shown is shown and all is said and done with nothing much shown, except a show. 

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Seriously though the behavior of the arrangement in the clip is consistent with an application of power from another source to the field coil or coils or maybe un-metered power entering the setup from the supply battery somehow.

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[Farmhand]

MarkE, I would say that it only requires a basic understanding of electricity and energy to say that more evidence would be needed to convince a sane person that what they see in the video is in fact the reality of the devices operation.

Hence the only sane position to have is skeptical. It serves no logical purpose to take any other position unless delusion is desired. 

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[tinman]

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I see that you(among others that i considered friends) attack that which they do not understand-->even though through your own experiments you failed to see that you solved half the operating principle-->post 4455.

I can see multiple ways that a setup like this could be arranged to achieve the effect by deceit.

So can i,but to what advantage would that be to me?.

Even by mistake.

There was no mistake's.

If I remember correctly the vacuum cleaner motors I've messed with that look like Tinmans motor all required that I cut the field coils series connections to the brushes.
The standard motors have the field coils hard wired in series with the brushes, I had to cut the coils connections to the brushes then fit wire extensions and terminals to
the field coils and secure that.

As did i,and was clearly explained in the video's.

When I completely disconnect the field coils and run the motor from just the brushes the field coils are capable of producing very little power, I am confident that there is a mistake of some kind.

The mistake is that you have not installed all the required components for the field coils to opperate as they did in my setup.

Shorting the field coils with a diode does improve the efficiency over just powering the brushes with no shorting but there is no comparison to the motor running in the standard configuration.

Incorrect.
You are only looking at the electrical efficiency,and fail to look at the mechanical efficiency increase-->which i have shown in many other video's(that are still up).In my early RT video's,i showed the RT with an efficiency of over 60% to that of an !off the shelf! motor.

Considering the claims of MIB's and stuff I'm calling bunk on the demo's.

MIB-->just another misdirected, misunderstood,and hyped up situation.
So you are calling my device bunk because you cannot achieve a successful replication?.

There is no reason to believe the drawings reflect the device demonstrated.

The drawing show measurement points only-->not sure how many more times i have to explain this???.

So for me there is only a magic show performed, I've seen better magic shows.

Sure you have-->at school mostly i would bet. Show us your magic FarmHand,and then tear down the motor,and show me all the unlisted components that were in my setup.

Was i going to disclose the device as a whole-->no,and i made that very clear from the start.
Am i going to disclose the device as a whole-->not ATM
Can i disclose the device as a whole-->not ATM-->and not by choice.

So lets get a few things straight here.
I have always said that this MIB thing was crap-most here will know that. But there are !powers that be! that can exercise lawful actions that you must abide by-like it or not.

MIB-->No gun's,no death threats,and no missing persons,but never the less-a strong hand of cards.

So please dont judge me on your own inability to achieve what i have-->which in the end, got me no where anyway.
It is so very strange to see those who you considered friends turn against you,and those that you thought of as adversaries,are actually those that back you up,and trust in you.

[MarkE]

Yeah I don't say Tinman is intentionally misleading or anything. Just that I am confident that there is some kind of mistake, and that I can see multiple ways to fake the results if I didn't show clearly all the wire traces and connections.

The provided drawing I think has some problems as far as "electrical viability" goes, but maybe I'm wrong.

Can we talk about how the mosfet is driven and how it would be arranged to short the coil while that happens ? We have to assume the mosfet is driven hard on to reduce its resistance sufficiently.

I'm seeing a kind of an AC signal produced on the field coils, so I am assuming the waveform to some degree should resemble a simple diode placed the correct way across the coil which produces a double lump looking trace" at least before the mosfet is switched "on", considering the internal body diode in the mosfet.

I'm also seeing a lot of heat produced in the rotor as I would expect with all that current and slow rotation. bearings are good.

Below is a scope shot which is a kind of false or double trigger but ignore that to see the type of trace produced across a diode placed to shunt one field coil. Somehow I fail to believe that anything much can be done with that. I would get a better shot but it's packed away, I thought the shot would be ok but I didn't check it, it's a false trigger. It's just a rectified lopsided AC signal. Doing that does speed up the motor slightly.

It seems all that will be shown is shown and all is said and done with nothing much shown, except a show. 

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Seriously though the behavior of the arrangement in the clip is consistent with an application of power from another source to the field coil or coils or maybe un-metered power entering the setup from the supply battery somehow.

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I haven't spent a lot of time trying to figure out what is inside tinman's black box.  Without knowing for certain that the test data outside the black box is what it purports to be by appearance, the contents of the black box are more or less the subject of unverifiable speculation. 

The demonstrations as shown are intriguing.  I would have liked to have seen them taken to resolution.