Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[Dog-One]

So a question for you MH.
We know that the inner secondary produces double(there abouts) the voltage to that of the applied voltage to the primary. So using your theory-->if i use the inner secondary as the primary,and apply that same alternating voltage across it,will
1-the !now!outer secondary will produce twice the voltage of the inner primary
2-produce the same voltage of the inner primary-or
3-produce half the voltage of the inner primary?.

I'll take that challenge Brad and say number three or less.  Why?  Now that's the question that will bring better understanding to this device as I suggested earlier in this thread.

The flux movement on the inner core will be almost perpendicular to the inner wire windings where the transfer from electric to magnetic is near optimal.  However, the flux movement on the outer core will be whirling around as it circulates the core.  The angle between this flux movement and the outer winding will be nowhere close to 90 degrees and likely closer to 30 degrees.  Transfer from magnetic to electric will be reduced accordingly.  All because of the geometry.

I recall the test you did with the electromagnet submerged in water, looking for bubbles that tended to spin.  It makes sense to me why now there was no spin to be seen.  The flux passing through the straight core had no reason to spin with the velocity equal all the way through.  If you repeated that test with a thick U-bolt as the core, I would bet you would then see spin, because now the constant velocity flux must equalize when negotiating the inner and outer radius.

[Pirate88179]

You can now build your own flux capacitor Bill.

http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms/Elec_FluxCap.html

Thanks Brad.

Hey, I just found I can buy one of these:
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They are on sale for 1/2 price at about $12.00.

Bill

PS  gif. is not working here.  At the link, you can see it running...pretty cool actually.

[MagnaProp]

I'll take that challenge Brad and say number three or less...

I'm going with (1.5). It'll be more than the input but less than twice as much. My reason being, if it's like waves then I think the outside of the outer core is like the rocky cliff sea shore. The air surrounding the outside of the core is our rocky sea shore cliff. You still get a big splash against it but it's not quite as big as when two waves hit each other off shore.

[MileHigh]

The Magnetic Field Due to a Toroid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCSHcftPAIM

If you have a toroid, what is the strength and direction of the magnetic field inside the toroid?

In the clip the author derives the formula for the magnetic field anywhere in the plane that bisects the toroid like when you slice it in half like a bagel.   See the attached picture for the formula.

What is the formula telling you?   It's telling you that the magnetic field strength is proportional to the number of turns of the toroid and the current flow through the wire and inversely proportional to the radial distance away from the geometric center of the toroid.

Do you see any velocity in that formula?  Do you see any waves?  Do you see any swirling?  Do you see any movement?  Do you see any circulation?

The answer is NO.  The formula is telling you what strength of magnetic field you will measure inside the toroid.  As the current flow though the wire increases the magnetic field inside the toroid will increase in strength everywhere simultaneously.  No velocity, no waves, no swirling, no movement, nothing like that at all.

If you believe in velocity, waves, swirling, or movement in the case of the magnetic field inside a toroid it's like you never learned anything about magnetic fields at all.  This stuff is just a variation of the magnetic field produced by a long straight current-carrying wire.  If you looked at that formula it would tell you the same story - the magnetic field produced by a long straight current-carrying wire will increase everywhere simultaneously if you increase the amount of current flowing through the long straight wire.

We are intentionally ignoring speed-of-light effects because you do not see any speed-of-light effects when you are analyzing these devices on your bench.  Bringing the speed of light into this discussion is inappropriate.

If you can't get these concepts and accept them and instead you believe in "high velocity swirling waves of flux" etc, etc, then  you will never be able to figure out how simple magnetic devices work because you will be bogged down in fantasy and superstition.

[MileHigh]

So a question for you MH.
We know that the inner secondary produces double(there abouts) the voltage to that of the applied voltage to the primary. So using your theory-->if i use the inner secondary as the primary,and apply that same alternating voltage across it,will

1-the !now!outer secondary will produce twice the voltage of the inner primary
2-produce the same voltage of the inner primary-or
3-produce half the voltage of the inner primary?.

I am ignoring your nonsensical discussion about velocity and waves when it comes to magnetic fields because that topic has been covered already.

To answer your question above, I believe that the outer secondary will produce about half the voltage as compared to the voltage that you are driving the "inner primary" with (a.k.a. the inner secondary.)  The outer secondary will react to the net flux it sees between the inner core and the outer core and we know that the flux in the two cores will be traveling in opposite directions.  Therefore if you measure an AC voltage on the outer secondary it means that more flux is flowing in one core than the other.   By looking at the phase of the waveform on the outer secondary you can determine which of the two cores has the greater amount of flux flowing through it.

I am doing nothing more than applying basic magnetic principles here.  Nothing is "flowing" at all.  "Flowing" is just a term we use to make it easier to describe what is going on.  It's just like using the terms "north" and "south" when describing magnetic fields when in reality there is no such thing as north and south magnetic fields.

A while back I stated that I has no reason to believe that the amount of flux flowing in the inner core and the outer core would be different if you drove the inner secondary with a voltage source.  But, as explained above, if you do measure an AC voltage on the outer secondary when driving the inner secondary with a voltage source, that is telling you that the amounts of flux flowing in the inner core and the outer core are different.  It could all likely be traced back to the average air gap between the inner secondary and the inner core vs. the average air gap between the inner secondary and the outer core.  The core with the smaller average air gap will have more flux flowing through it.