Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[orbut 3000]

If you are happy with the lamp, particularly the color rendition then life is good.  Me, I am no fan of a bunch of LEDs particularly from one big supplier that is near the top of the efficiency mountain.  I see blue halos around those lamps that I find very annoying.

This particular lamp is just near perfect. Maybe I should post a picture of a 50W halogen and this lamp side by side but there is not a hint of a blue halo or other annoyances like flickering. I wouldn't have mentioned it if I weren't surprised by the performance of this lamp.

[EMJunkie]

While all this sideline argumentation is very amusing... let's just cut to the chase, shall we?

None of the workers who have reported here or on OUR have shown measurements of EMJ-promoted circuits that approach anything like unity, much less OU or COP=1.7 or greater.

My own experiments with the specific Meyer circuit provided by EMJ (lighting _30 neons_ by the way, not limited to 20), and the simulations provided by Vortex1, show great high voltage spikes when the transistor is driven fully, and when underdriven show waveforms that are very similar to some I've seen from EMJ himself.  I've spent a lot of time today trying to get coherent measurements of output power in that circuit on the old Link DSO using the Schematic I have already posted showing _proper_ output measurement points, and it has been very difficult to do. The Link doesn't have the right math and is also responding to the HV in the measurement branch even though I am using proper probe reference points instead of those originally posted by EMJ on the Meyer schematic. Using the original point for the TP A HV output (probe referred to the 0 volt power supply rail) there is no difficulty, I see the same thing on the Link as I see on my analog scopes, of course. But this does not yield proper output power data.

I believe by now I have established sufficient "street cred" to ask for proper information in this matter. I have now built 3 different driver boards to drive the coils, plus using the F43 FG in ground-isolated mode. I've tested the EMJ-Meyer circuit extensively, driven by FG and by the 555 oscillator. I've drawn and revised schematics for my version of the circuit. I've shown the 3.5 kV spike amplitude when the transistor is properly driven and I've shown that this voltage is real, by lighting 30 neons in series and by actually experiencing shorting inside the coils themselves, along with ozone production. I've disturbed my dog and my housemate at all hours by the high whining that the circuit produces. Still, there is no indication of OU performance from this circuit that I have been able to measure. The transistor gets warm, even hot, when fully energized and driving neons and the 10R load... but the cement load resistor stays at room temperature. The transistor itself is thus dissipating far more power than the load actually is. There just isn't much power output to the load itself, although there certainly is some.

SO here is what I want.

I would like EMJ to post the _exact_ schematics, with part numbers and coil details, that were used to obtain the COP=1.7 or higher measurements. I would like to see the measurement points shown, I would like to know the details of the drive signal, and if possible I would like to see the scope traces produced by the testing that yielded the OU measurement. I can think of a few reasons why EMJ is not providing this information, none of them very charitable.

So please... PROVE ME WRONG, Chris, by providing the proper info so that I can proceed with my testing in some rational manner.  Or even talk to your friends whom you say have reproduced your system with OU results, and show the information I asked for above, for their replications.  Otherwise, we are all just spinning our wheels, digging further into the mud.

TK, I must say, I did not expect you to through down a list of demands like you have!

I am a bit surprised.

I provided all here and at OUR The Stan Meyer VIC Circuit. Has it not been an exciting experiment?


  Chris

[TinselKoala]

OK, how about this. Let's redefine "output" to be the HV output referenced to "ground" aka the PSU 0 volt rail. Leave the load resistor in circuit because otherwise the L3 coil is just hanging there. Put 10 neons in series with a 4.7 ohm precision non-inductive resistor at HV Out, measure Vdrop across this resistor, and take Vout from TP A and Iout as Vdrop/4.7 . Drive with 555 oscillator with sufficient drive to light neons brilliantly.

And here's what I get. I had to overlap the current (Vdrop) trace on the Vout trace because there just isn't room. The maximum v/div for the Link at 100x probe is only 200 v/div, whereas I can use 500 v/div with the analog scopes.
Input power is 6.7 V and 650 mA (raw from inline meter).

[TinselKoala]

Same as above but expanded for detail of the current spike:

[TinselKoala]

TK, I must say, I did not expect you to through down a list of demands like you have!

I am a bit surprised.

I provided all here and at OUR The Stan Meyer VIC Circuit. Has it not been an exciting experiment?


  Chris

I have had excitement and it didn't resemble taking scopeshots of lighting up a few neons.

As many people have shown, your measurement points for this circuit are invalid as a power output measurement. So shall we say, then, that your claim of OU was a mistake due to invalid measurements? That's fine with me, we can wrap up the whole "testing the OU claim" here and now then. Any further experimentation is just for the lulz.

Unless you have some +valid+ OU measurements on a clearly specified circuit with all of the information I asked for above, the verdict as to the claim will have to be _user error_ on your part.