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Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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verpies

Quote from: EMJunkie on May 11, 2015, 12:57:30 AM
Don't confuse the situation, there is only one point I wanted to make, as stated: "Saturation in Multiple Axis at the same time"
Conventional science treats the magnetization as a vector, which is a 1D magnitude that can have only one direction.
A sum of multiple vectors is still a vector.

Geometric Algebra allows for multidimentional vectors such as bivectors, trivectors and various grades of blades, but I don't know how to apply these concepts to magnetization and saturation of magnetization.

verpies

I cannot participate in the most recent poll because the question assumes that "Current draw is a changing Magnetic Field in Time" which does not make sense to me.

Also, most people think of the Lenz's Law as a qualitative law which answers the question "how" but not "how much".

EMJunkie

Bought forth superbly!

Quote from: verpies on May 11, 2015, 02:21:01 AM

Conventional science treats the magnetization as a vector


A Vector: Ref: Vector

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noun 
1. Mathematics. 
a. a quantity possessing both magnitude and direction, represented by an arrow the direction of which indicates the direction of the quantity and the length of which is proportional to the magnitude.
Compare scalar (def 4).
b. such a quantity with the additional requirement that such quantities obey the parallelogram law of addition.
c. such a quantity with the additional requirement that such quantities are to transform in a particular way under changes of the coordinate system.
d. any generalization of the above quantities.

2. the direction or course followed by an airplane, missile, or the like.

3. Biology.  a.an insect or other organism that transmits a pathogenic fungus, virus, bacterium, etc.
b. any agent that acts as a carrier or transporter, as a virus or plasmid that conveys a genetically engineered DNA segment into a host cell.

4. Computers. an array of data ordered such that individual items can be located with a single index or subscript.

verb (used with object) 
5. Aeronautics. to guide (an aircraft) in flight by issuing appropriate headings.

6. Aerospace. to change direction of (the thrust of a jet or rocket engine) in order to steer the craft.

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Origin of vector  Expand 
1695-1705; < Latin: one that conveys, equivalent to vec-, variant stem of vehere to carry + -tor  -tor



So, to view Magnetics more accurately, one could consider that Conventional Science treats the Direction of Magnetization as a Vector, but as the Magnitude can change with no change to the Direction, it is actually inaccurate to view a Vector with Magnitude at the same time! The Inverse Square Law shows, in the equation and in experiment the Direction and Magnitude change totally independently as a square of the distance!

Quote from: verpies on May 11, 2015, 02:21:01 AM

... which is a 1D magnitude that can have only one direction.
A sum of multiple vectors is still a vector.



Ideally, A Vector has Direction. A Scalar has Magnitude(what definition of Magnitude would one like to use here?(1. size; extent; dimensions)), and the Magnitude can be described as having Direction by the Vector, so I am not sure I agree entirely here. Words that no doubt mean the same things but just are contextual maybe?

A Scalar: Ref: scalar

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adjective 
1. representable by position on a scale or line; having only magnitude:
a scalar variable.

2. of, relating to, or utilizing a scalar.

3. ladderlike in arrangement or organization; graduated:
a scalar structure for promoting personnel.

noun 
4. Mathematics, Physics. a quantity possessing only magnitude.
Compare vector (def 1a).

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Origin of scalar
1650-60; < Latin  scālāris of a ladder. See scale3, -ar1




Quote from: verpies on May 11, 2015, 02:21:01 AM

Geometric Algebra allows for multidimentional vectors such as bivectors, trivectors and various grades of blades, but I don't know how to apply these concepts to magnetization and saturation of magnetization.


Yes, A Magnitude and the Vector of it can have Algebraic operators applied to them to solve for a total Vector. Here I see a massive problem however! Why would one want to add or subtract Vector's that are in-fact not directionally related? E.G: Are not related to each other by a Directional Vector. If one vector is Orthogonal to the other but not in the same space, why apply Algebraic operators for a sum Total. This can be dependant entirely on the context again! Re the patent then one may want to apply some sort of Vector Analysys here, but the entire point of me bringing forth this patent is to show that a Magnetisable direction can exist in the same space at the same time.

In all "Conventional Energy Generation" or Induction, a Change in time is necessary, as we know, its part of the equations and also a necessary requirement to Invoke an EMF... This we already know, so the term "EMF" implies a time rate of change without having to specify it.

Nice smart chat Verpies, enjoyed it.

   Chris

Image: Is this Magnetism

EMJunkie

@Verpies,

Mathematically, a 3D Vector can be written like so: [1 2 3] so, [1 in the x direction, 2 in the y direction, 3 in the z direction] if one uses the general Cartesian Coordinate System

So:

[1 2 3] + [-1 -2 -3] = 0

Here we see we have no Magnitude, only Direction. We also see our vector sum is Zero. This is of course not specifying weather a Bound Vector is necessary.

Mathematically, Magnitude, yes, but Magnetically Magnitude? I don't agree with this. I don't agree that this describes Magnetism accurately.

Why: A Magnitude: magnitude

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noun 
1. size; extent; dimensions:
to determine the magnitude of an angle.

2. great importance or consequence:
affairs of magnitude.

3. greatness of size or amount.

4. moral greatness:
magnitude of mind.

5. Astronomy.  a.Also called visual magnitude, apparent magnitude. the brightness of a star or other celestial body as viewed by the unaided eye and expressed by a mathematical ratio of 2.512: a star of the first magnitude is approximately 2½ times as bright as one of the second magnitude and 100 times brighter than one of the sixth magnitude. Only stars of the sixth magnitude or brighter can be seen with the unaided eye.
b. absolute magnitude.

6. Mathematics. a number characteristic of a quantity and forming a basis for comparison with similar quantities, as length.


To sum up: The Length(Magnitude) of a Vector, for me, does not quantify Magnetism. Does a Vector quantify a Tornado, or a River, I am not satisfied with such a presumption. Conventional Science has to many presumption's.

   Chris

EMJunkie

PPS: An "Electric Generator" can generate an "EMF" but if there is no Load, EG: No Current draw from the Terminals, then Lenz's Law, the associated Magnetic Field, will not be present. Result: No Drag on the "Generator" Shaft due to Lenz's Law. Friction Losses will still be present but currently we are not considering those. A Voltage will still be present on the terminals.

A Load is necessary to experiment with this concept.

PPPS: lots of Editing, sorry, trying to carefully choose words...

   Chris