Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[tinman]

Funny thing is that i can measure the power from each half of the output just as accurately as that $4000.00 plus unit can-+/- 4%,for about $1.50 We then just minus 4% from the end meassured total,and we know we have at least X amount of power.

[EMJunkie]

Haven't we clearly established where you and Mark are in terms of knowledge and experience when it comes to this stuff?  Surely you are self-aware?

MileHigh - I don't deny MarkE is knowledgeable in the EE Field. My frustration expressed is at the deliberate confusion introduced on this topic!

My entire point is, most everyone here can not afford $6000+ for Probes. I bet even you cant.

Start at the Start and eliminate any possible measurement error as one goes, using affordable Probes and Meters. Most meters are fairly accurate and will give anyone using them a basic baseline point to start from!

High Frequency can be problematic, this is true, but we are not high frequency! Like I have already said, 40Hz to 5KHz is the range most of my devices fall in, 99% are much less than 5KHz!

The recent ramblings has been my point before, this just creates confusion for others. Deliberately bring into question any and all measurements! But, this was the reason, its designed this way! Isn't it MileHigh!

Engineers are taught, use a baseline first, this is used as a check on the meters and procedures... Typically this will be done on a Device that is already known to be of a certain value.

Then once the baseline has been established, run the desired measurement, or experiment.

Measurements are only ever as good as the Knowledge of the Person and Procedures followed, no matter how expensive the equipment! Its always nice to have good equipment, but as always, budget is everyone's limitation!

   Chris Sykes
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[EMJunkie]

You make a good point.  Until now, I had not seen this as a 'last resort' tactic against a claim.( but now know to look for it) Its mostly been that it is all being measured wrong. But when it is shown that it is not measured wrong, it must be faulty equipment. 

So I suppose the only proofs that can be had are timed rundown of a looped circuit running off of a cap or battery. Really when it comes down to it, the circuit needs to be useful, like charging a battery/cap using it as the source and doing more than just floating or slowly draining the batt/cap.

Could run light bulbs like Kap, not leds. Leds just dont stir up much interest these days. Jt circuits are not drawing crowds like they did.

So I have to say you would be right. No sense in putting out measurement numbers if they mean nothing at all.    The only thing that could count as proof would be total in from a filtered source to a filtered load/batt/cap. If there is more simple out than simple in then it is good.


Mags

Mags - Exactly, Self Looped is the only real way to overcome "Measurement Error" but even so, the "Source of Energy" will then be disputed.

"Oh, you're steeling Energy from the Grid Lines, wirelessly" or "Its coming from the local Radio Station" and the list goes on!

Yet, understanding an "Electrical Generator" and applying those basic principals to a solid state device can not be done because the "Energy Source", which is the same no matter what device is used, "Electrical Generator" or a Solid-state Device, can not be the same according to the Genius's!

It is frustrating, because its been over complicated for so many years, so many will not grasp it because the Source of energy is not understood! Because it's not in the Textbook!

   Chris Sykes
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[EMJunkie]

Funny thing is that i can measure the power from each half of the output just as accurately as that $4000.00 plus unit can-+/- 4%,for about $1.50 We then just minus 4% from the end meassured total,and we know we have at least X amount of power.

@All - Tinman has done an excellent job here!

You're right Tinman, my case and point! Yes meters can have limitations and In-accuracy's, but they all do, just varyingly!

   Chris Sykes
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[MarkE]

MarkE - Your statement is simply ridiculous! You are implying all low budget instruments used to take any measurements offer nothing but GIGO (Garbage In / Garbage Out) and should not be used! This is nothing but a ridiculous statement! You may as well say No budget Instruments should be manufactured and sold!


And anyone offering any measurements would no doubt have any problem offering information on the Make and Model of Instruments used. From there an analyses can be made of the limitations and or issues along with the +- margin of error.

This I just can not believe!

You would rather introduce Line impedance into the circuit being tested than use a Budget Probe? Surely this is the most ridiculous statement you have ever made? This is undoubtably a way to take measurements but certainly this does introduce a host of other problems in the scheme of testing and verifying! Relying on this method alone is certainly not something I would suggest!

The entire Electrical Engineering industry is in such a state! It offers Instruments that don't work according to many Engineers, Oscilloscopes that have functions that don't work, the list goes on!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Once again you put your own ignorance on parade.  Noncontact current probes also load the circuits they measure.