Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[allcanadian]

@Gyulasun

Tinman wrote that it is the two bucking magnetic fields which may give an
extra kick to the rotor (one field is the one created by the coil B on the
stator and this field has the same pole the rotor segment nearest to the stator
in that moment just has.  The moment he shorts coil B, an enhanced field is
created in the stator segment which may give the extra kick when interacting
with the like poled rotor field.
And yes, he mentioned the MEG as the
possible motionless setup variant for his working principle, so a motor would
not be needed.

Tinman may disappointed if he tries to patent this because I read a patent 5 years ago which is identical in every respect to what is described. I have the patent on my laptop at home and will see if I can find it tonight. I believe it was patented by a Japanese coporation and yes they did claim it produced excess energy in the patent.

AC

[ramset]

Gyula
Yes TinMan Did say "its right there in the MEG"

@AC
I'll buy you a cheeseburger If you can post The Japanese Patent Link.

Thx

Chet

[Farmhand]

But the M.E.G. does not work ! There is no O.U. - M.E.G..
If anyone can show some hard evidence of a "working" M.E.G. many would be glad to see it.

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[gyulasun]

But the M.E.G. does not work ! There is no O.U. - M.E.G..
If anyone can show some hard evidence of a "working" M.E.G. many would be glad to see it.

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Yes, that is correct, the MEG as depicted by the Bearden team or shown by Naudin must have had a COP < 1.  Gifted builders in the MEG_Builders yahoo group tried to replicate it for years without receiving extra output, while using the metglas core.

However, none of those builders thought about shorting one of the coils on the core...  to clash two like pole fields against each other (such 'thing' is not included in the MEG patent).  Look for woopy's tests in this thread on bucking fields (not connected with MEG at all).

Gyula

[Farmhand]

Yes, that is correct, the MEG as depicted by the Bearden team or shown by Naudin must have had a COP < 1.  Gifted builders in the MEG_Builders yahoo group tried to replicate it for years without receiving extra output, while using the metglas core.

However, none of those builders thought about shorting one of the coils on the core...  to clash two like pole fields against each other (such 'thing' is not included in the MEG patent).  Look for woopy's tests in this thread on bucking fields (not connected with MEG at all).

Gyula

OK then it's not all there in the M.E.G. then if the M.E.G. does no shorting.

Some time ago "maybe 2 years or so", I posted some things I was messing with using a vacuum cleaner motor exactly like The one Tinman shows. I also ran the motor just by  powering the rotor, and noted that by applying a "switched" load to the field coils should help the rotor to turn while powering that load and reduce losses/make output.

My 800 Watt vacuum motor powering just the rotor spun up without load using much less current than Tinmans when powered by a 12 volt battery, but it rotated slower, EMF was produced at the field coil terminals by powering the rotor to make it rotate, the field coils can then be loaded - timed to produce more torque I think and a load powered to some degree.

I cannot log in to EF to search my posts, Erfinder I think would remember my posts there about that.

I think my posts there were along this line. I would say it was at least 2 years ago.

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P.S. I never suspected a vacuum motor to be able to produce O.U. and still don't but if Tinman has in fact discovered something my hat goes off to him.

I don't see that there are too many options for implementing such an arrangement and if anyone fears legal problems they can simply site my posts on EF as the inspiration. That will work as my posts were about a similar "kind" of arrangement even though I didn't pusue it.

The reality is that so many different setups have existed that a number of them could be sited as a "genesis" device for open sourcing.

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2nd P.S. if anyone is able to find the thread at EF with my posts about the Universal motor, please feel free to post a link, I know it will be embarrassing for me to see my old posts and my previous ignorance but thems the brakes.  I'm not even sure what is actually in the posts. Some time after I made those posts I had an "enlightening", and began to take a different tack.

I'm still not exactly sure what Tinmans circuit is supposed to be doing.

Can someone post a proposed schematic and show the theory of operation in text ?

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I'm Thinking the first thing to do is to power up a vacuum motor and scope the field coil/coils. Then design a circuit to short a coil at a certain part of the wave form produced I guess.

One thing is for certain Tinman cannot say anyone stole his work if he has not posted it. I think it puts him in the situation that to protect his work he would need to make it known before anyone can reproduce the effect.

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Running a Universal motor from a DC supply should cause the steel to retain magnetism shouldn't it. And applying DC to the field coils with the correct polarity, in any way should reduce the input power to the brushes or increase rotor speed I imagine.

Running the motor from a DC supply previous to a test might make available some residual magnetism that could be utilized to provide output for some time, maybe.

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