Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[Farmhand]

Oh ok, Erfinder I was confused again, I was thinking of a different thread, you rightly linked the one that you had seen. The other one showed the same Universal motor in a slightly different experiment. No matter, my mistake, the other thread I'll need to find myself. somehow.

Thanks Luc for the summary very helpful.

. If I run the motor from a 12 volt battery by powering just the brushes/rotor coils, the setup is using say 1.6 amperes input current, then if I apply only 1 volt from a DC power supply to only one field coil it causes about 300 mA of current through that field coil while reducing the input current from the 12 volt battery to the brushes to only 0.8 ampere, as well as speeds up the rotor.

So applying 1v x 0.3 A = 0.3 Watt to one field coil the rotor speed increases and the input drops by 12.5v x 0.8A = 10 Watts reduction in input to the brushes. Just as a matter of interest That is all it takes to the field coil to make so much difference.

Also I noticed that the rotor spins the opposite way when it is powered by only the rotor coils than it does when all coils are used in series as it is designed to be used.

This motor has it's brushes not at 90 degrees to the field poles centerline "offset". My other motor has them directly at 90 degrees.

[verpies]

Running a Universal motor from a DC supply should cause the steel to retain magnetism shouldn't it.

Yes, the silicon steel, that is usually used in laminated cores, exhibits some magnetic remanence.

And applying DC to the field coils with the correct polarity,...

...can make the, so called, "Permanent Magnet Holder (PMH)" out of the stator core.
Alternatively, a properly timed pulse can "degauss" the stator core.

Running the motor from a DC supply previous to a test might make available some residual magnetism

Yes, but doing that repeatedly is usually a source of energy loss in a core, known as "hysteresis loss".

[MileHigh]

I think TK once said that most people around here don't really perform experiments, they just make observations.

I am attaching some images I found, one search was "timing diagram for an electric motor."  Notice the orange arrows showing how an event on one signal will cause an event to happen on another signal.  It's all about understanding the overall timing and the signal dependencies, and making an experiment that has some sort of "what if" construct and then analyzing your resultant data to test for the "what if."

Just a bunch of verbal talk about how you imagine a circuit or a motor might work is just talk, and it is usually wildly inaccurate and wrong.  I too helped Conrad on the good old "magic bifilar coil" experiments and there was nothing to be found.  For the particular test for straight DC magnetic field strength, you don't even have to do do an experiment, you just have to use your head and apply well understood knowledge.  What the heck is the problem that people have with applying well understood knowledge?

Will somebody actually do a proper timing analysis of a motor configuration and probe it with their scope and deduce the timing diagram and then analyze it and run some tests and draw conclusions from their work?   Honestly, based on the last five years or so, that is not likely to happen.  Buy a lotto ticket instead.

It's a shame, because I am sure people could get a lot out of it and have a lot of fun at the same time.  Instead, this thread has become a revolving door, a retread of stuff that we have all seen and read before.  In the ideal case, you are supposed to challenge yourselves.

[synchro1]

Yes, the silicon steel, that is usually used in laminated cores, exhibits some magnetic remanence.
...can make the, so called, "Permanent Magnet Holder (PMH)" out of the stator core.
Alternatively, a properly timed pulse can "degauss" the stator core.
Yes, but doing that repeatedly is usually a source of energy loss in a core, known as "hysteresis loss".

Yes, but doing that repeatedly is usually a source of energy loss in a core, known as "hysteresis loss".


"Hysteresis" loss can contribute to delay and help generate Lenz Propulsion.

[MarkE]

Yes, but doing that repeatedly is usually a source of energy loss in a core, known as "hysteresis loss".


"Hysteresis" loss can contribute to delay and help generate Lenz Propulsion.

Hysteresis loss converts E/M energy to waste heat.  In a motor it takes away electrical energy that would otherwise have been converted into mechanical energy.  In a generator it takes away mechanical energy that would otherwise have been converted into electrical energy.