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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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minnie




  What about a "poynt"ing vector?
                  John.

Jeg

Quote from: tinman on October 02, 2015, 06:47:15 AM
"And whenever there is a changing magnetic field, there is also a corresponding changing electric field."

But an electric field alone dose not exist without a magnetic field when that electric field is changing,and visa versa. So in order for induction to take place,and an EMF produced,we must have a changing magnetic field,and thus a magnetic flux cutting the inductors windings. An electric field that dose not change has no magnetic field,and it will not induce an EMF in a conductor.

Tinman, yes I will try to put some load just to see the effect. But as you already said it is far from an effective transformer. Have you tried to wind an iron core transformer this way? If not I'll try to do it and measure it.

What do you say about the electric induction? For example at a Tesla's type coil if we bring close an other piece of metal even if it is just a plate, it will be induced a very high voltage without any magnetic flux around. Magnetic flux is at so insignificant levels that doesn't play any role on this transfer. I think this is what Chris wants to express by saying that electric field surrounds a coil. Indeed, when two coils forming an iron transformer, if they brought the one very close to the other side by side like in Leedskalnin's PMH, they act as capacitor plates because except of coils are also two piece of metals.

tinman

Quote from: poynt99 on October 02, 2015, 08:59:48 AM
OK.

So going back to the associated electric field, how would it be depicted on my drawing?

The E field will be across the plane of the toroid core,but can be almost completely eliminated by a return winding.

tinman

Quote from: minnie on October 02, 2015, 09:14:39 AM


  What about a "poynt"ing vector?
                  John.

No poynting vector with Poynts depicted transformer configuration.

tinman

Quote from: Jeg on October 02, 2015, 09:15:13 AM


What do you say about the electric induction? For example at a Tesla's type coil if we bring close an other piece of metal even if it is just a plate, it will be induced a very high voltage without any magnetic flux around. Magnetic flux is at so insignificant levels that doesn't play any role on this transfer. I think this is what Chris wants to express by saying that electric field surrounds a coil. Indeed, when two coils forming an iron transformer, if they brought the one very close to the other side by side like in Leedskalnin's PMH, they act as capacitor plates because except of coils are also two piece of metals.

You cannot have a varying electric field without a varying magnetic field-the two go hand in hand.
A static electric field has no magnetic field,and a static magnetic field has no electric field. Neither of these two static conditions(between field and conductor) can produce a current flow through a conductor.

As the electric field around the toroid core was produced by a varying current flow through the primary winding,and all varying electric fields have magnetic fields that vary along with the electric field,then there is just no way that all of the magnetic flux produced by the primary winding is contained within the core. The varying magnetic field(and thus,magnetic flux) that accompanies the varying electric field is a direct result of a varying current flow through the primary coil. So all the magnetic flux produced as a result of a current flow through the primary coil is not contained within the core.