Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[MagnaProp]

@MagnaProp - I have been reading, just waiting to see what the results are with the current topic...

...A Diode on the Secondary Coil will allow Current to Flow in one direction only. Again I am guessing you know...

Thanks for the explanation. I think we are on the same page now. These images are what I think is going on with the diode as you and tinman explained. Image 1 has power from a battery applied. Image 2 has the battery power removed. If the images are wrong just let me know and I'll find a nice shady rock to hide under.

I still believe in Ed's version of electrons but I think modern science at least has the current flow direction of these magno-electric particles correct, so I'll refer to them as just electrons.

Rotary version ready for testing

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seVtuwtvciA

Stay tuned for tests

Luc

Looks good 

I forget what your results were when a diode was on the primary and secondary. Did your primary current go down or stay the same? Since you got more force with the diodes, your primary current should be able to go down a little and still let you achieve the same force you had without the diodes.

[gyulasun]

Hi MagnaProp,

I have drawn you another explanation as a compliment and addition to what you have received so far (and not because you are wrong above... )

In the upper drawing input voltage is switched onto the coil, current starts in the coil, diode is biased in the reverse direction so the diode is an open circuit.  I used conventional current flow direction from + to - .

Then you remove input voltage i.e. interrupt coil current, see the lower drawing.  The input current has built up a certain magnetic field already in the coil,  so flux stops increasing due to lack of input emf and starts decreasing i.e. it collapses.
This decrease is what changes the induced voltage polarity across the coil versus that of the input voltage, (see cases in induction law), and the coil tries to fight against any current change and tries to maintain its own current in the same direction it was during the input emf. The same current direction also means that the magnetic poles of the coil do not flip.
Of course the coil current goes through via the diode in this process because the induced voltage forward biases it till the field diminishes to zero.

Gyula

[EMJunkie]

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@MagnaProp - I have been reading, just waiting to see what the results are with the current topic...

If I can say, a Coil, Inductor or Solenoid will have a charge constant, meaning time is taken for the Magnetic Field to build to its maximum value for a given Input Voltage. This can be Calculated and also seen on the scope through a Current Sensing Resistor (CSR) or other Current Probe...

This I am guessing you already know.

A Diode on the Secondary Coil will allow Current to Flow in one direction only. Again I am guessing you know.

If the DC Input is switched on... the Field Builds... then Lenz's Law will apply one direction but not the other as to how the direction the Diode is connected on the Secondary...

So, lets suppose we have no Lenz's Effects on the Input, the Diode is connected the correct way, then the Field can build to its maximum Value. Now the Input is switched off.

What will the Field do?

Collapse...

So now our Primary is no longer connected to a Current Source, effectively its open Circuit...

The Diode will now conduct and Current can flow in the Secondary as soon as the Field is collapsing because the polarity has changed.

No Lenz's Law effects reflected back on the Primary!

Interestingly, the Magnetic Field changes its Location in Space, Current is flowing in the Secondary Coil and this constitutes its own Magnetic Field.

Importantly, the Magnetic Field in the Secondary is now in the Same Direction as the Primary Magnetic Field was... Why you might ask? Well apply the Right Hand Rule, Current flow will follow the Right Hand Rule. Remembering that the Polarity of the Coil has Flipped!

So, Tinman was right.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Thanks for the explanation. I think we are on the same page now. These images are what I think is going on with the diode as you and tinman explained. Image 1 has power from a battery applied. Image 2 has the battery power removed. If the images are wrong just let me know and I'll find a nice shady rock to hide under.

I still believe in Ed's version of electrons but I think modern science at least has the current flow direction of these magno-electric particles correct, so I'll refer to them as just electrons.
Looks good 

I forget what your results were when a diode was on the primary and secondary. Did your primary current go down or stay the same? Since you got more force with the diodes, your primary current should be able to go down a little and still let you achieve the same force you had without the diodes.

@MagnaProp,

I think your Pics are right... No need for any rocks, lets all work on this together!

Notice the Polarity's, there is an Attraction of the Fields via a small time delay.

The way I like to visualize this is shown in the picture below:

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

[Magluvin]

Yes, absolutely.

Let's take that thought to the extreme then; what if you have a bifilar-wound cylindrical coil, and you use one pair as your primary, and one pair as your loaded secondary, and you energize the primary. Will there be induction from the primary to the secondary?

Will it be the E field generated by the primary that induces an emf in the secondary? Yes.

If you remove the core in our original example and leave the two coils in their original positions, how much emf will be induced in the secondary? Why?

"Let's take that thought to the extreme then; what if you have a bifilar-wound cylindrical coil, and you use one pair as your primary, and one pair as your loaded secondary, and you energize the primary. Will there be induction from the primary to the secondary?"

Yes


"Will it be the E field generated by the primary that induces an emf in the secondary? Yes."

So the magnetic flux of the primary cutting the sec has nothing to do with the sec being induced??



"If you remove the core in our original example and leave the two coils in their original positions, how much emf will be induced in the secondary? Why?"


Well by the looks of it the distance from coil to coil seems far. Are you saying there would be no currents induced in the sec? What if they were closer? Any?  Next to each other? Any?  We could say the same if the coils were inline and changed the distance accordingly?


In the pic of Brads experiment with the large diameter secondary, that if the diameter of that coil were say 5 feet.  Is it the whole coil being induced equally around, or is it mostly the part of the coil that is close to the core, or even just the part that is in the core inner diameter?


Mags

[poynt99]

So the magnetic flux of the primary cutting the sec has nothing to do with the sec being induced??

That is correct.

Well by the looks of it the distance from coil to coil seems far. Are you saying there would be no currents induced in the sec?

They would be miniscule, perhaps not present at all.

What if they were closer? Any?  Next to each other? Any?

Two air-core coils sitting side-by-side will still have miniscule induction from one to the other.

We could say the same if the coils were inline and changed the distance accordingly?

The two coils in line improves the coupling a bit, especially if they are end to end. As you separate them however, the coupling would decrease quickly.

In the pic of Brads experiment with the large diameter secondary, that if the diameter of that coil were say 5 feet. Is it the whole coil being induced equally around, or is it mostly the part of the coil that is close to the core, or even just the part that is in the core inner diameter?

Mags

That is quite an extreme example of course. I believe that as long as the secondary diameter is at max up to that of the primary (or perhaps double), the induced emf will be the same as if the diameter was much smaller. As you increase the diameter of the secondary relative to that of the primary, the induced emf will decrease (eventually).

In theory, the E field extends out an infinite distance, but its intensity decreases with distance from the center. However, as your "collector" would also be larger, in theory the induced emf should be equal. Remember the induced emf is equal to the line integral of the circumferential E field. So even though the E field intensity decreases with distance, the circumference also increases, so the line integral is the same.

I have not tried a 5 foot secondary with a 6" primary. It would be an interesting experiment.