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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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Magluvin

Quote from: tinman on October 08, 2015, 07:45:43 AM
I see that the paper say's it is the magnetic flux from the primary that cut's the secondary on it's way to the core,and this is what i believe happen's,and show's that all the magnetic flux IS NOT contained within the core,as it has to travel from the primary winding to the core. So,as long as there is current flowing through the primary winding,then the magnetic flux exist from the primary winding to the core. To say it dosnt is like saying the water flowing from a hose just disappears at the hose end,and reappears in the bucket-or have we just discovered magnetic teleportation ???

!BUT! i see a hiccup  ::)
If the primaries flux is what is passing through a secondary on it's way to the core,and it is that action that produces an EMF at the secondary,how do we explain the secondaries EMF in the below depicted transformer?

Here is an issue I had thought of today.

When I put together the toroid with the primary and secondary, say the primary to the left and sec to the right as our depictions show. What Im going for is to have the face of the hall sensor facing up or down, as the loops of the field of the primary will have a N and S orientation.  One problem that may exist in measurement with the hall sensor is that there may never be enough flux density at any point in time within the hole of the core. As the flux builds in density within the core, what possibly traverses across the hole may be to thin or say small transactions from left to right. If this is true, then this may be a case where lack of there of within the hole may be a reason a field cant be detected within the hole.   Just thoughts of the day.  Winding core tonight and digging out the hall for tests. 


As for how the secondary interacts with the primary can im sure be a little complicated. Like one might think that the primary field has to hit the secondary before the secondary causes any repercussions. But from what I tend to understand is that even the vacuum of space, there is a sort of magnetic fluid all around us and everything. And when the field builds from the primary, the beginning of the expansion happens at the secondary instantaneously, like a signal through a wire, the electrons may move physically slow, the wave sent through the conductor very fast. The speed of light they say. The wave through the magnetic fluid affecting the secondary is most likely happening at the speed of light or possibly faster, pretty much near instantaneously., but weakened with distance.


Anyway, going to shop to wind a core.    Feels kinda good to fiddle some again.

Mags


poynt99

Quote from: tinman on October 08, 2015, 09:43:38 AM
What im asking is-if it is the flux from the primary cutting the windings of the secondary, on its way to the core,where the secondary is wound aroud the core along side the primary, thenthere would be no flux from the primary cutting the secondary in the diagram I posted, where the primary is on one side of the core, and the secondary is on the opposite of the core.
I am unsure (still) what you are asking. What do you mean "on its way to the core"?

Isn't there flux everywhere around the core when the primary coil is energized?
question everything, double check the facts, THEN decide your path...

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poynt99

Quote from: tinman on October 08, 2015, 10:30:24 AM
So i need some clarification on the electric field and field strength in regards to it's position on the toroid core.
1-Is the E field strongest at the surface of the core,and weakens as it nears the center of the core.
2-Dose that now mean that the magnetic field/flux is weakest at the surface of the core,and strongest at the center of the core?.

Cheers
Brad

1. Yes. See below for two helpful diagrams.

2. No. The flux should be fairly uniform across the diameter of the core.
question everything, double check the facts, THEN decide your path...

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forest

Quote from: shylo on October 08, 2015, 07:08:28 PM
What I don't understand is when the coil is being induced it creates the opposite .
Why not have one coil induced one way , a second coil induced the opposite way ,and have a third coil being induced by the first two.
Place the third coil in between the two opposite coils.
If the third creates opposite to the first and second , shouldn't it give gain?
artv


Correct. The one way of beating Lenz is to create such situation. Lenz law only apply when secondary has closed loop so the current can flow. The shape of this loop is YOUR choice. The simplest and common choice is to "follow the guy who know".
This way every transformer should be called : staturable reactor.
Everything was already patented, we struggle only to revive thechology using our  current time parts...

tinman

Quote from: poynt99 on October 08, 2015, 08:51:07 PM
I am unsure (still) what you are asking. What do you mean "on its way to the core"?

Isn't there flux everywhere around the core when the primary coil is energized?
???
I thought you and most every one else was saying that the flux is contained within the core,and now you say it is everywhere around the core?.
Maybe my around and your around are different. ;) My around is like the space station orbits around the earth-not through it.