Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[hyiq]

Chris,

this simple little circuit as you call it, is not that simple to dissect as it contains much interacting signals / properties.
Sometimes i think it kind of "flips over" as i cannot get the 180° out of phase signals across the 1 Ohm resistors (they are in phase suddenly).
I will try to capture that situation.


Anyway, some confusion here:

 

With "LOne" you mean the 11 turn coil?
With "second Coil, LTwo" you mean the 7 turn coil?
These points i agree with (remind you that the current probe (green) induces some phase delay), but in your 2e post you say:



that 1st point is opposite as what you mention above, in a parallel circuit in LC resonance, the voltage and current are (should be) in phase.
And that is what we see happening allthough not exactly 0°, but i blame that on the current probes delay factor and the unusual influence of the bucking coil.


Your question on Negative Power Factor i have to study on as i don't know, perhaps some more knowledgeable people can step in here.

I will play around some more with this circuit.

Itsu

Hey Itsu - Yes it is a very simple little circuit that a lot can be learnt from. Yes, odd things happen in this circuit. Its worth remembering, Electromagnetic is Equal and Opposite, however we are getting well over 50% Efficiency - Why?

Sorry for any confusion, I have marked the MrPreva Circuit with L1 and L2 indicating the Coils, or Inductors L and the Number of them.

Yes, on this: "that 1st point is opposite as what you mention above, in a parallel circuit in LC resonance, the voltage and current are (should be) in phase."

I apologise, typically in an RLC or LC Circuit, when the Circuit goes into resonance, the Inductive Reactance (X_L) will equal the Capacitive Reactance (X_C). This means that neither X_L or X_C is dominating in the circuit, and the Phase angle will be 90 Degrees for a Resonant Circuit. See the below diagram.

However, in the MrPreva Circuit, we see that X_L and X_C are nearly Zero!!! Meaning we have no Phase Shift (Nearly) and that the Inductive and Capacitive components of the Input have been removed from the Circuit. This is an interesting but very explainable phenomena, we see exactly this in a transformer when a decent Load is applied!!!

  Look, we all really should spend some time on this: "Your question on Negative Power Factor i have to study on as i don't know, perhaps some more knowledgeable people can step in here."

I am no expert, I have spent a lot of time studying and experimenting on this, and still have a lot to learn.

But, if we ever see a Negative Power Factor, it means you have power coming back out of the Circuit at you, you are "Generating" Electrical Energy and its trying to return to your Source!

Itsu, your replication of the MrPreva Circuit is Excellent, first class!!! Thank You for sharing with everyone! I really hope others find value here as they should!!!

Question: Do you see now why this equation is important: I_Total = da⁺ / dt + da^- / dt?

   Current I_Total = "Negative electrons flowing to the left (da^-) contribute to the current flowing to the right (da⁺)"

There is such beauty in simplicity.

So my over all point is, we see Electromagnetic Induction, between these two Coils, L_One and L_Two, each field Opposes! Each Current Opposes. This is a Symmetrical Device, it is an Auto Transformer of sorts.

Now, all we have to do, it bring in a Third Coil, use it as an Input, and now we have an Asymmetrical System, where the Opposition on the Primary (Lenz's Law) is Counter-Acted by the two forces of the Secondary's.

   Simply: An Addition to Newtons Third Law: Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction - Thus the Importance of the Number 3, a Non Symmetrical Number!


   Chris Sykes
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[hyiq]

Chris,

Analyzing the input and output power levels of Itsu's scope shot in your post is very interesting.  For example, the input voltage is ~1.555v rms and the input current measured as shown is 5.84ma rms with a phase angle of ~20 degrees so, the input power is 1.555 x 5.84e-3 x cosine(20) = 8.53mw.

Pout1 is 412mv rms across 1 ohm for (.412^2)/1 = 170mw and Pout2 is 205mv rms across 1 ohm for (.205^2)/1 = 42mw for a total Pout = 212mw.  The COP = .212/.00853 = 24.85!!!!

Now a question for everyone, is this correct?  If not, why?

pm

I believe Itsu has already answered, but Volt Ampere Reactive vs Real power can be quite different, the Power inside the LC Circuit is being measured, and not the total Input to the Circuit. So the Cap and losses of it are not included as was mentioned, only the Vars in the Semmi Resonant Circuit, taking into account the ±20 Degree Phase Shift, which can be very much higher than the Real Power into the Circuit.


But, again, I am still learning too, so if you disagree, lets discuss why?


   Chris Sykes
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[hyiq]

@ Itsu,

Last year I built many variations of bucking coil circuits which I tested for months but did not publicly share. Tests were done with and without resonance.
The more interesting effect was with resonance and at one point I thought I had OU.
However, after much more investigation I found the current probe was not measuring accurate results with circuits in resonance range.
There seems to be a very strong EMF emitting outwards from these circuits which may affect a current probe, which btw was the same one as you used in your last video.
It may not be the case with all but I would recommend you also add CSR probe to compare the two just to be safe.

Kind regards

Luc

@Luc - Measurement Error is easy to make. Even with expensive equipment. In saying this, and as you say, a CSR (Current Sensing Resistor) is a good comparison. Brad used a CSR and was still getting 118% Graham Gunderson 560% without a CSR, but using identical $1500 Current Probes along with very expensive Clarke Hess Watt Meters that do use a CSR arrangement, which verified the expensive Current Probes, so again, a lot more good results are coming forth, and it is mostly through "Understanding" that these results are achieved.


Once an understanding is achieved, the direction one needs move becomes more evident, but without this understanding, no direction is possible. Only guess work.


So, failure will be inevitable for some. Until the right frame of mind is obtained, the right understanding is achieved.


This technology is not to be Monetised, it wont happen for you, I know some here are very greedy and are doing their utmost to take what I am sharing, and make money from it, claiming it as their own. This frame of mind will result in failure.


What was Graham Gunderson asking? 2 Million Dollars?


No one is going to pay for this Technology! People will only want to learn and replicate it.


Too much Greed, Selfishness, I cant get over some people!!!


   Chris Sykes
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[partzman]

I believe Itsu has already answered, but Volt Ampere Reactive vs Real power can be quite different, the Power inside the LC Circuit is being measured, and not the total Input to the Circuit. So the Cap and losses of it are not included as was mentioned, only the Vars in the Semmi Resonant Circuit, taking into account the ±20 Degree Phase Shift, which can be very much higher than the Real Power into the Circuit.


But, again, I am still learning too, so if you disagree, lets discuss why?


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Chris,

I'm not able to say if I agree or disagree as I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to say in your statement above.  I would say however that if we analyze Itsu's circuit (Preva replication) with the resonant cap current accounted for, the real power developed in the secondaries will be less that the total power drawn from the generator including any negative energy back to the generator.  To confirm this,I will run some bench tests and sims to see what we have.  I have already shown the Preva circuit to be conservative but this was without any resonance of additional phase shifting.

pm   

[hyiq]

Chris,

I'm not able to say if I agree or disagree as I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to say in your statement above.  I would say however that if we analyze Itsu's circuit (Preva replication) with the resonant cap current accounted for, the real power developed in the secondaries will be less that the total power drawn from the generator including any negative energy back to the generator.  To confirm this,I will run some bench tests and sims to see what we have.  I have already shown the Preva circuit to be conservative but this was without any resonance of additional phase shifting.

pm

The MrPreva Circuit as it is, is Not Over Unity. As I have already stated many times:

In L2, Using Ohms law, and also verifying the Phase angle Correction through a Resistance, being Zero Degrees, mentioned above, we can calculate the Power across the Resistance: Power P = Resistance R * Current I² = 2.3 Ohms (2.2 + 0.1) * 0.54700816 Amps = 1.28925 Watts, which means that a Voltage V across the Resistance R is only 1.722 Volts, verified on the scope, but on the other side of the Inductor, there is 12,54 Volts present.

In L2, Power across the Resistance: Power P = Resistance R * Current I² = 2.3 Ohms (2.2 + 0.1) * 0.23164969 Amps = 0.53279 Watts, which means that a Voltage V across the Resistance R is only 1.10699 Volts, verified on the scope, but on the other side of the Inductor, there is 12,54 Volts present.

So, the huge gains seen above, across each branch L1 and L2, are not Gains across the Resistance, the load. What is going on here, why are we seeing this Gain, but not in our Load? If the input is 2.2 Watts, and Loaded Output is 1.28925 Watts + 0.53279 Watts, we only see 82% efficiency across our Resistive Loads.

Why do we see what we do? Why do we have such a large Voltage Drop across the Inductor? Between 10.818 and 11.43301 Volts...

   Chris Sykes
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But, instead, I have said "A Lot Can Be Learned" from this Circuit! Why is it NOT Over Unity? Because it is still a Symmetrical System!

Now, when you said: "The COP = .212/.00853 = 24.85!!!!" this figure you are deriving is not correct. It is not the actual Input Power to the Circuit. This is incorrect.

Itsu did not give us the Input Current into the Circuit, only the Circulating Current inside the LC Circuit was given.

We all should already know this, and that's what I was implying in my above statement.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org