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Are scalar waves BS?

Started by dz93, January 26, 2015, 10:58:15 AM

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synchro1

This video by Jerry Bayles shows Chiral disk magnets agitating satillite magnets with a "Scaler Wave" at Shumman resonant frequency.:

Magnetic standing wave around two variable speed disk magnets resonates with two small 'balance' magnets at the Schumann frequency (7.834 Hz) on the right side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcVg_K3U-uk

Chiral Disks are in opposition. This magnet rotation should work inside a Faraday cage like TinselKoala's Caduceus broadcasting coil. Does "Lenz's law" apply to this effect?


Farmhand

As we can see by the definitions a Scalar is a constant unchanging value with no direction, and a wave is a movement of
something which means there is variation, the two are totally incompatible.

A wave by definition has constantly changing values and movement, a Scalar is an unchanging value. All waves have constant
variation.

In my opinion A longitudinal wave could be considered as an AC or pulsed current wave, the current doesn't move side to side it
moves directly from point to point. But it is driven by a fluctuation in the potential applied. Nothing scalar about either the current
or the potential unless considering an unchanging value such as the value of a DC potential or the value of DC current or the
values from a single point in time. 

That's my take on it. Scalar is a catch word used to whip up hype and bamboozle people. People using the word for hype or
attention should be taken with a grain of salt.

Definition of a Scalar.

Quotescalar
(ˈskeɪlə)
n
1. (Mathematics) a quantity, such as time or temperature, that has magnitude but not direction. Compare vector1, tensor2, pseudoscalar, pseudovector
2. (Mathematics) maths an element of a field associated with a vector space
adj
3. (Mathematics) having magnitude but not direction
[C17 (meaning: resembling a ladder): from Latin scālāris, from scāla ladder]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/scalar

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Definition of a Wave.

Quote1.
a. A ridge or swell moving through or along the surface of a large body of water.
b. A small ridge or swell moving across the interface of two fluids and dependent on surface tension.
2. often waves The sea: vanished beneath the waves.
3. Something that suggests the form and motion of a wave in the sea, especially:
a. A moving curve or succession of curves in or on a surface; an undulation: waves of wheat in the wind.
b. A curve or succession of curves, as in the hair.
c. A curved shape, outline, or pattern.
4. A movement up and down or back and forth: a wave of the hand.
5.
a. A surge or rush, as of sensation: a wave of nausea; a wave of indignation.
b. A sudden great rise, as in activity or intensity: a wave of panic selling on the stock market.
c. A rising trend that involves large numbers of individuals: a wave of conservatism.
d. One of a succession of mass movements: the first wave of settlers.
e. A maneuver in which fans at a sports event simulate an ocean wave by rising quickly in sequence with arms upraised and then quickly sitting down again in a continuous rolling motion.
6. A widespread, persistent meteorological condition, especially of temperature: a heat wave.
7. Physics
a. A disturbance that travels through a medium. Energy is transferred by a wave from one region of the medium to another without causing any permanent displacement of the medium.
b. A graphic representation of the variation of such a disturbance with time.
c. A single cycle of a periodic wave.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Wave

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dieter

Probably Scalar means that it affects things immediately, like the two sides of a balance: scale.


Longitudinal on the other hand may be more descriptive. Unlike traversal waves, longitudinal ones are a plain vector from one point in one direction (like an ideal laser), or maybe only the direction / vector.


I do however agree that both terms are often used pseudoscientificly and for a wide range of things, real or made up phenomena.


It is certainly a rather  fantastic trip to try to do the experiments described in the tesla chapter of that "secrets of cold war technology" book, and Meyl is also rather "fancy", regardless of his Professor title.


Then again, there may indeed have been certain experiments by tesla in which he discovered some interesting things.


It is known that he was highly intetested in controlling the pulse width of high power, high voltage high frequency arc dis-charges, and despite the system trolls denials, it is exactly such a condition that leads to excessive electron avalanches with "stochiastic electron multiplication"  in the ratio of 1:12'000'000 per centimeter. Funny enough these electrons are pulled right out of the air, leaving a bunch of ions behind.


At least Lindemann and that guy of the mentioned book (I never remember his name) seem to think there is a relation between avalanche / breakdowns , longitudinal waves (tho tesla was quoted to have described them being of electrostatic nature, like the charge of a cap) and the ever disputed Aether.


BR




BTW. Farmhand, a question for you: When a wave needs a medium to propagate, like air or water, and since there are wavelengths in light, what is the medium for light in the cosmos?



Yet anotherone of those questions that none can answer without to question the standard model...

Void

Although the following definition is probably at least somewhat simplified, it gives an idea why the term 'scalar wave' may have been used:
"What is a "scalar wave" exactly? Scalar wave (hereafter SW) is just another name for a "longitudinal" wave.
The term "scalar" is sometimes used instead because the hypothetical source of these waves is thought to be a
"scalar field" of some kind similar to the Higgs Field for example."
https://jmag0904.wordpress.com/2013/05/25/what-are-scalar-waves/

Bearden:
"A scalar potential is any static (stationary) ordering in the virtual particle flux of vacuum."

So, a scalar wave may be something like a propagating ordered disturbance/structure in a scalar field or scalar fields, which may have unique properties.
The term 'scalar' may have been used to clearly differentiate it from vector potentials and transverse waves. Maybe not the best choice
for the name, but it is really only a name. Just as 'ball lightning' is not really an actual 'ball'. ;)

Wlibert Smith, who came up with the Smith coil (yes, I know he was way out there in various ways) used the terms 'tensor beam' and 'tensor energy'.
Definition of a tensor: "A mathematical object analogous to but more general than a vector, represented by an array of components that are functions of the coordinates of a space."

All the best...


DROBNJAK

Scalar means: having no direction.

Examples are temperature, density and even height of landscape.

Lets say temperature and a hot incandescent bulb. Air around the bulb will be as hot as bulb, but temperature will start falling off with a distance from a bulb, till it reaches ambient temperature. That is scalar field. Now, the rate with which temperature falls, as we depart away from the bulb, has a direction. That direction is vector. So rate of change is vector field, but source is scalar field.

The rate of change itself will be cause of energy flow. In case of temperature, heat will flow from higher temperature air to lower temperature air. Or if your scalar field is a height of landscape, than rate of change is a slope of a terrain. So, ball will roll down in a direction of a slope and slope is vector. So rate of change in scalar field shows the direction in which energy flows. That is the vector part. Vector part causes flow of energy: rolling of a ball, movement of the air, movement of the charges etc.

I am not sure, but electric potential works the same as the above example. We have electric potential, that is scalar, but the gradient (rate of change) in that scalar is vector electric field.

Main thing is that scalars, fields and vectors are all mathematical constructs. Just a shadows of a real things. You can stick these mathematical shadows on anything you like. You can re-arrange them to suit your fancy. They are not a real physical things. The fact that they are not a real thing is their limitation. There could be a part that is missed out and it is still in a hiding. Another issues is that sometimes things are constructed which don't have an real physical presence, just to make maths easier. I am not sure, but displacement current can be such a case.

Now in the above examples, there is a source: a light bulb, an electric charge, or gravitational body like Earth. But there are cases where there is no source, like in density of material. Maybe Electro Magnetic Force EMF is an example of scalar field without source. Somebody can cast more light here.