Minato Motor Modification

[juspot82]

I'm new here and this is my first post so please don't flame me.

I've started reading up on magnet motors and found the Minato motor to be quite interesting. I think i've read somewhere on the boards that it's similar to another design, but can't remember who's. Anyway, I had a thought to eleminate the need for the electro-magnet "kicker" to get the rotation over unity.

Place 2 of the engines side by side and connect the rotors with something like a bicycle chain or pully system. Have the motors timed so that when motor 1's rotor is at unity position(when the electro-magnet kicks), motor 2 is just starting or part way thru it's cycle. Since the 2 rotors are connected the momentum rotor 2 will carry rotor 1 past unity and then vice versa for rotor 2's cycle.

Alternatively it could be done on the same shaft with the 2nd motor below or upsidedown compared to the first. Just spaced far enough away that there isn't any flux between the two motors magnet arrays. This would probably be a better setup since there would be no need for gears/chains and less loss due to friction.

I don't have the resources or space to attempt a protoype of this setup so I figured I would put it out there for the "experts" to hash out.

[Dingus Mungus]

You should create a diagram or drawing to better detail the wheels timing differences...

[tropes]

Juspot
I have tried as many as 3 rotors on a common shaft and they together act as one and find a point of equilibrium.
The furthest rotation was about 340 degees with the configuration at http://theowlnest.com/kickbypage.html
Keep thinking
Tropes

[juspot82]

Ok....what about instead of the electromagnet kicker you use one of the following:

1. Instead of a balanced wheel make it heavier near the first magnet on the wheel where the lock up occurs. Since the wheel stops due to the repulsive force of the first magnet coming back around to the starting position. If the wheel is off balance just enough, then the rotational force should be enough to carry it into another rotation. The shaft would require extra bracing and the bearings would probably wear out faster, but it could produce over unity.

2. If a weighted flywheel approach doesn't do it then what about a single set of attacting magnets. The lock up is cause by the repulsive force being too great to overcome. What if you add a rotor onto the shaft positioned above the wheel at the lockup point with an equal attraction force to a stationary magnet. That should create a "dead zone" where the repulsive force on the wheel equals the attractive force on the rotor and allow conservation of momentum on the wheel to continue the spin. By dead zone, I don't mean a way to eliminate the flux, just equalize it in both directions. Once the 2nd magnet on the wheel passes the lock up point then the repulsive force should be great enough to cause another rotation. If needed a stronger set of magnets can be used for the rotor.

[Dingus Mungus]

We have a quite similar discusion going on here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1535.0.html

Including a design that has no cog point...
All but one of the designs are based on Minato's wheel design, the last design is based on TOMI track technology.