Minato Motor Modification

[mikestocks2006]

Ok I see what you?ve done.

Here's what I tried:
In the following configuration the magnets do not get attracted to the shield.
2 disk magnets 1/8? thick by 5/8 Dia
Facing each other N-N
Shield: common steel sheet very thin about 4-5 copy paper thickness
Placed the shield about 3/32? using balsa wood for spacer between the magnets
Npole ? 3/32?spacer ? Shield ? 3/32?Spacer-Npole

The magnets do repel but not as strong repulsion. When I remove the shield the repulsion is much greater, cant even hold em aligned.
Also the thickness of the shielding material seems to be important for the above type of configuration. BTW, I also tried 1/6 thick plate and 1/8 and both magnets were attracted to it! I think there must be a relation between type of material, thickness and magnet strength. The magnets were from the local craft store, they had a label print of 2000 gauss on the box.

Vaporwing's setup (two counter rotating magnet mounting disks) would be great to test the addition of a vertical shield and few different spacing, thickness, material configurations.

Peter,
Your feedback is much appreciated.

[tropes]

Mike
There is a fine line between attraction and repulsion when you use shielding. You say,"The magnets do repel but not as strong repulsion." but there must be some force which overcomes this repulsion to force the magnet to the point where the repulsion rotates the wheel. BTW, I think the Vaporwings design crowds too many magnets into a small space. I think your design is better. Now you must commit to construction and don't be fooled by animation.
Peter

[Dingus Mungus]

Mike
There is a fine line between attraction and repulsion when you use shielding. You say,"The magnets do repel but not as strong repulsion." but there must be some force which overcomes this repulsion to force the magnet to the point where the repulsion rotates the wheel. BTW, I think the Vaporwings design crowds too many magnets into a small space. I think your design is better. Now you must commit to construction and don't be fooled by animation.
Peter

While it is true that animations can fool the eyes, but magnetic simulations have math to back them up.
http://femm.foster-miller.net/

Download it, use it, love it!

[juspot82]

While it is true that animations can fool the eyes, but magnetic simulations have math to back them up.
http://femm.foster-miller.net/

Download it, use it, love it!

Animations may be fooling and simulations may have math to back them up, but there is an issue with both of them. They are 2D and we live and experiment in a 3D world. The FEMM simulator may be good for a few things, but there's always the 3rd dimension that it can't handle. I just don't believe a 2D simulator can properly demonstrate a 3D problem. The only real way to know is to build it, that's something no simulator can compare to.

If you build it in a simulator and it doesnt work, that's no reason to give up on the idea. If it works in the simulator, there's no guarantee it will work in the real world no matter how accurate the math is.

[Paul-R]

Does this overlap with the Zirbes device? Also a strange wheel discussed in the free energy YahooGroup run by Stefan Harti with spoon shaped wings and a mu-metal shielding feature?
Paul.