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Perpetual diamagnetic liquid

Started by Newton II, February 21, 2015, 09:16:24 AM

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Newton II

Quote from: tinman on February 21, 2015, 09:45:48 AM
And this diamagnetic liquid is what?
ATM i am grinding up some bismuth,but having trouble getting it below a 10 micron grain. Plan was to suspend it in a thin oil to see how it would react to a magnetic field-->but if you know of the existance of such a liquid(diamagnetic),that would be of much help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism

A  table in that page shows  diamagnetic  strengths of various materials.

Water  =  − 0.91 X 10 -5
Mercury =  −2.9  X  10 -5
Bismuth=   −16.6 X 10 -5
Pyrolytic carbon=   −40.9 X  10 -5

In  that only water and mercury are liquids and rest of the materials are solids.  Mercury is a bit  stronger  diamagnetic  material than water.
If  you use mercury  as working fluid  and hold strongest  magnet on this earth  near the tube,  you may get a height difference of  few milimeters!!

Quote from: Low-Q on February 21, 2015, 05:11:00 PM
Just remember that the diamagnetic liquid in that tube will still be diamagnetic inside the thin tube that connects left and right side of the "U".   So there cannot be a continous flow from one side to the other.

If the magnet can defeat gravity that much, it will defeat how gravity act on the liquid in the thin tube as well.

Vidar


If you use a steel connecting tube,  it shields the magnetic flux and diamagnetic fluid can easily flow through it.  I don't think it is a problem at all.



Low-Q

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If you use a steel connecting tube,  it shields the magnetic flux and diamagnetic fluid can easily flow through it.  I don't think it is a problem at all.
It will not work. Steel will guide magnetism away from the experiment too, making the liquid level difference smaller between left and right side of the "U". That will reduce the difference in possible potential energy just by the same bit as you shield the pipe.


Speaking of potential difference. There are actually no potential difference in this system as long it is static, and the magnet is kept permanently in place. So it is anyways impossible for this system to flow liquids just by itself.


Just try it and see for yourself. I bet a million dollars it won't work  ;)


Vidar

Newton II

Quote from: Low-Q on February 22, 2015, 03:17:41 AM

Speaking of potential difference. There are actually no potential difference in this system as long it is static, and the magnet is kept permanently in place. So it is anyways impossible for this system to flow liquids just by itself.

Just try it and see for yourself. I bet a million dollars it won't work 


Vidar


Magnet is kept static to repel the liquid.  Potential difference is created by gravity. These two are different forces. Just astemperature difference causes heat energy to flow, force difference causes mechanical energy to flow.

There is a chance of this experiment working.  I cannot build it because I don't have very strong magnets with me. You request NASA scientists to build it and comform and give one million dollars to me!

Tell the NASA scientists to build it like this. It works!!

profitis

Vidar:'I bet a million dollars it won't work  ;) '

Be careful with your money.this battery will work.o2 is magnetic.I've tested it

Low-Q

Quote from: Newton II on February 22, 2015, 06:15:23 AM

Magnet is kept static to repel the liquid.  Potential difference is created by gravity. These two are different forces. Just astemperature difference causes heat energy to flow, force difference causes mechanical energy to flow.

There is a chance of this experiment working.  I cannot build it because I don't have very strong magnets with me. You request NASA scientists to build it and comform and give one million dollars to me!

Tell the NASA scientists to build it like this. It works!!
No, no, no, no...! You forget something very basic here.
The magnet defeat gravity, so how can gravity do the work that is already defeated by the magnet?
Also remember that force equals counterforce. Newton! Remember him?


Well, if you don't, here are some basic principles:


Magnetism is a force
Gravity is a force


None of those are containing energy.


Energy is required to do work.


Without energy, work cannot be done.


So, here you go. Hope it clearify some  ;) 


BTW: I can build it. I have hose, water and a bunch of neodym magnets. I will prove to you it won't work.
I will post a video on youtube.


Vidar