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Is Newton's Law At Risk?

Started by gravityblock, April 11, 2015, 09:50:41 PM

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Is Newton's third law at risk?

Yes, there's a violation of Newton's law in this case!
No, Newton's law is in full effect in this case!
Not sure, I'm undecided ar the moment!
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gravityblock

#30
April 20, 2015, 03:19:22 PM
Here's another way to look at this.  If we rotated the flywheel by hand,  then the motionless axis and the frame holding the gear set and motor would then fully rotate in the same direction as the flywheel.  However, the rotation of the frame in no way will cause the gears to rotate around their own axis in order to provide a forward or counter torque to the motor.

It would be interesting to see if we could combine the principles of Tusk's paradox engine to provide a forward torque in Whoopy's replication.  I haven't yet fully analyzed the forces involved with such a combination.  More than likely, if we could provide a forward torque in such a combination, then it would open the door back up for a counter torque.

Paradox Engine:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG8YOp_njFs

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

#31
April 20, 2015, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: webby1 on April 20, 2015, 03:48:02 PM
If you use both motions of the oscillation you will double your input costs and double your output.

No, it will not double the input costs to use both motions in this case.  For one, it will reduce the kinetic friction of the rope sliding on the one way bearing during half of the cycle.  Secondly, the motor is already providing the torque to both of the unbalanced gears to induce both motions.  Third, the torque from one of the gears that was previously encountering the kinetic friction of the rope sliding on the one way bearing during half of the motion can now be used to torque the flywheel.  This additional torque on the flywheel will then cancel the opposition between the two unbalanced gears that was present in the one way bearing configuration.


Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

#32
April 20, 2015, 05:24:22 PM
I added a poll to this thread.  Only one vote per user.  However, you may change your vote at any time during the discussion.  The results of the poll will only be shown to those who have voted.


Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

#33
April 20, 2015, 05:35:07 PM
Quote from: webby1 on April 20, 2015, 05:29:45 PM
:)  you can guess which way I voted :)

Yes, you voted the wrong way, lol!

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

#34
April 20, 2015, 07:05:09 PM
I added a third option to the poll, for those who may be undecided at the moment.


Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.
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