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Confessions of khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Oklahoma City, PanAm 800 and American 587

Started by synchro1, May 21, 2015, 10:18:50 PM

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Red_Sunset

Quote from: synchro1 on May 29, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
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What I find particularly perplexing, is that none of the major political candidates for the Presidency in 2016, has questioned the validity of the 9/11 Commission findings; As if to signal their willingness to continue to go along with future deceptions.

Synchro,
It is purely a matter how you see the world around you.
A presidential candidate who would NOT have a willingness to go along with future deceptions, would never get elected. He most probably will be discredited in the early stages of the process.
You might not hold the same viewpoint, but from my angle, the running of a country is no one man show. It is directed by board committee type process, there is a public committee (representatives & senators), but there is a also a background (shadow) committee.   The one is an public elected committee, the other one is just 'power' & 'money'.   
There is a saying, "birds of a feather flock together",  if you then consider anybody who has a "fair chunk of lot of money" would be of similar position and circle in life, usually would associate together due to similar interest, in addition to other interests they would  conspire where is the best money to be made and together will do similar investments to increase their earnings.  It is a natural and inevitable merge of common interests and I would guess this happens on different levels in a similar way.

On the next level, big companies, big banks & big money are no different, although in additional they can wield big power and control on a regional or national level to expand their fortunes. 
When this "big" reaches a certain threshold, there is not much to stop it.  Today in this process of growth has gone to a international level as was seen in colonial times.  The commercial interest would expand into the world under crown protection (mutual interest).  Although we have now come to a point where commercial power has overtaken the crown in wealth and power.  The power has shifted.
In the world economy, big money interests have overtaken regional or national interests and provide the opportunity to make more money quicker.  This went hand in hand with a side effect, the power to control on who will be rich or poor.
USA is a good example of being stripped to the bone, only a magical transformation will save this country(a possibility).  That power & control is not with the people nor their president but with the big industrial & financial complex.  The president is only a front man for the 2 committees that are lopsided towards big money, this limits the freedom of the whole structure .
In a democracy of today, if we take into account the lobbying influence, I would guess that the public at best exercise only 1/4 of the governing control and the president is no different.

PS:   How quick and by which method was the 2007 financial crisis loan to the banks approved ?  It was so quick that  nobody had time to read the document.  What is power?, what is BIG power?  What can it really do?  something to think about.

Deceptions are there to execute shadow agendas,  I would guess the president should be seen more as a coordinator to the interests at hand, he needs to be compliant to a certain level otherwise I would doubt if he would have gotten that position to start of with. Sure he has controlling power for house keeping and daily run of the country.
If at any time using, aiding or aligning with an Islamic fundamentalist group to achieve a desired objective at hand, a moral or national or patriotic objection would not stop this drive. The long term power & control objectives are what matters (that is how I think business is done here). 
Real life "Democracy" doesn't necessary mean exactly what is written in the dictionary or constitution.
An understanding we will need to come to terms with in this century. A new world has arrived (sometime I wonder if are destined by the outline of certain predictions)

PS:  What is REAL power? .  BTW who owns your house that is under mortgage loan?  The bank ?
                                                  BTW, who owns all those trillions of government debt of the US ?  So who own the US gov?
                                                 BTW, it is no different for many other countries with IMF or World Bank loans.
                                                 BTW,  Who controls Greece now? Not the people, not their elected Gov.
It is not a question that he country doesn't have wealth or money, the problem that most of the money is the hands of a limited number of people who exercise the power & control this money give them to achieve their set objectives.  These objectives do not necessary meet the national democratic expectations of the citizen.

***   a little paragraph pulled from wikipedia (JP Morgan), this happened already 100yrs ago, what happens today ?

//   In 1895, at the depths of the Panic of 1893, the Federal Treasury was nearly out of gold. President Grover Cleveland accepted Morgan's offer to join with the Rothschilds and supply the U.S. Treasury with 3.5 million ounces of gold[6] to restore the treasury surplus in exchange for a 30-year bond issue. The episode saved the Treasury but hurt Cleveland's standing with the agrarian wing of the Democratic Party, and became an issue in the election of 1896, when banks came under a withering attack from William Jennings Bryan. Morgan and Wall Street bankers donated heavily to Republican William McKinley, who was elected in 1896 and re-elected in 1900.[7]  //

//    The Panic of 1907 was a financial crisis that almost crippled the American economy. Major New York banks were on the verge of bankruptcy and there was no mechanism to rescue them, until Morgan stepped in to help resolve the crisis.[11][12] Treasury Secretary George B. Cortelyou earmarked $35 million of federal money to quell the storm but had no easy way to use it. Morgan now took personal charge. Meeting with the nation's leading financiers in his New York mansion, he forced them to devise a plan to meet the crisis. James Stillman, president of the National City Bank, also played a central role. Morgan organized a team of bank and trust executives which redirected money between banks, secured further international lines of credit, and bought up the plummeting stocks of healthy corporations.[11]  //


Red_Sunset

picowatt

Quote from: synchro1 on May 29, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
On September 14, the DOD announced that they had found the "Voice Recorder" black box from flight 77 along with the "Flight Data Recorder" from september 11. Both black boxes for Flight 77 were turned over to the NTSB. However, neither the data of the flight data recorders, nor the voice from the voice recorder from Flight 77 has ever been released.

What I find particularly perplexing, is that none of the major political candidates for the Presidency in 2016, has questioned the validity of the 9/11 Commission findings; As if to signal their willingness to continue to go along with future deceptions.

According to the NTSB, the CVR used magnetic tape which was fused into a solid mass from the heat of the fire and no data was able to be recovered from the CVR.  However, the FDR data has been available from the NTSB for quite some time.  The FDR data shows 77 doing about 300 KIAS when it impacted (no flaps, no slats, gear up...).

synchro1

Quote from: picowatt on May 30, 2015, 02:37:10 AM
According to the NTSB, the CVR used magnetic tape which was fused into a solid mass from the heat of the fire and no data was able to be recovered from the CVR.  However, the FDR data has been available from the NTSB for quite some time.  The FDR data shows 77 doing about 300 KIAS when it impacted (no flaps, no slats, gear up...).

@Picowatt,

Here's another interesting anomaly:

"A flight data file created by the downloaded Flight Data Recorder information of American Airlines flight 77 was created on Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 11:45pm. However, as reported by USA Today, Pentagon spokesman Army Lt. Col. George Rhynedance reported that the FDR for AA 77 was recovered on Friday, September 14, 2001 at 4am, 4 hours and 15 minutes after the creation of the AA 77 FDR data file".

picowatt

Quote from: synchro1 on May 30, 2015, 03:19:04 AM
@Picowatt,

Here's another interesting anomaly:

"A flight data file created by the downloaded Flight Data Recorder information of American Airlines flight 77 was created on Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 11:45pm. However, as reported by USA Today, Pentagon spokesman Army Lt. Col. George Rhynedance reported that the FDR for AA 77 was recovered on Friday, September 14, 2001 at 4am, 4 hours and 15 minutes after the creation of the AA 77 FDR data file".

Source?


SeaMonkey

Quote from: MarkE
LOL, if you think so.  Are you going to offer some argument with evidence or just throw mud?

Your desperation is right up there with Sarkey's.

Stating a truth is throwing mud you say?

Look at your hands - what is that muddy looking stuff there?