'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours

[Farmhand]

I am of the opinion that many of the so called UFO sightings are effects of perspective - light and regular flying objects.

Take the clip below for example, people are claiming "orbs" are flying around in the sky, they seem to be doing impossible manoeuvres . But what it looks like to me when I analyzed the clip is pigeons "birds", with a kind of light halo. The funny thing is that when one of the objects is caught at a closer distance to the camera it looks like a brown and white pigeon with a halo but if when I altered the image to black and white it looks like the outline of a classic saucer.

I surmised that the magnetic properties of the pigeons heads may cause the halo like thing to appear around the head, but I have no real theory as to how, just a thought. Can anyone pick what kind of bird that is if it is not a pigeon.

Someone tell me that pigeon doesn't look very cool with it's halo. 

Canada orb clip with haloed pigeon looking things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9sQKrraXeY

To me it appears to be definitely a bird of some kind, and the movements would be effects of perspective, when in 3D the movements would be fairly normal, but in 2D they look "odd". Why do the birds all have halo's, if they are birds that is.

I've seen silver saucer looking things in the daytime on two occasions but they were never doing anything physics defying just cruising along less than chopper speed above the low clouds, I was looking slightly down on them as I am on a mountain, they did not look like choppers though, Distance would have been about 5 to 10 k's no more. They were big. Not bird sized. Could have been choppers with the rotor and the tail obscured by visual effects of distance and sun and what I could see would then look like a saucer, best I can come up with .

[Farmhand]

But AC nothing in space is at rest and so if the arrangement you mentioned with the two buckets of sand and a spring happened to be moving at great speed ie. draw a center line through the two buckets and spring along the center axis of the spring (I'll specify a coil spring compressed with the bucket openings facing in opposite directions with the spring between), now if the arrangement is moving through space with one bucket leading and one following (spring between compressed) then what would happen is one would slow down and one would speed up but the direction of both would remain the same.

Nothing is at rest in the Universe.

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[Pirate88179]

But AC nothing in space is at rest and so if the arrangement you mentioned with the two buckets of sand and a spring happened to be moving at great speed ie. draw a center line through the two buckets and spring along the center axis of the spring (I'll specify a coil spring compressed with the bucket openings facing in opposite directions with the spring between), now if the arrangement is moving through space with one bucket leading and one following (spring between compressed) then what would happen is one would slow down and one would speed up but the direction of both would remain the same.

Nothing is at rest in the Universe.

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Thanks Farmhand, I was going to post something similar.  Nothing "floats" in space at rest.  Even if something started out at rest instantaneously, it would quickly begin to be pulled toward the strongest gravitational field that acted upon it.  People think that if you shot a baseball up into space to an altitude of 600 miles, it would be in orbit...but, that baseball would simply fall back to the earth.  VonBraun launched rockets to this altitude and they did exactly that.  Orbit is a velocity...17,600 mph give or take not an altitude.  So, even our baseball would never be at "rest".  It would go up, and then come down.

Bill

[Farmhand]

I do like the thought experiment though Bill, we can imagine the experiment is inside a vacuous space, the result is just as AC says.

However if we want to imagine how the EM drive might be able to work we could imagine a craft being delivered into space by the conventional methods and the EM drive could then be employed. But we would need to take into consideration all relevant factors. I can only guess that if we were to place any craft in a vacuum with no way for the craft to exert any forces on anything else then it wouldn't move.

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[allcanadian]

Hey farmhand

I do like the thought experiment though Bill, we can imagine the experiment is inside a vacuous space, the result is just as AC says. [/size]However if we want to imagine how the EM drive [/size]might[/size] be able to work we could imagine a craft being delivered into space by the conventional methods and the EM drive could then be employed. But we would need to take into consideration all relevant factors. I can only guess that if we were to place [/size]any[/size] craft in a vacuum with no way for the craft to exert any forces on anything else then it wouldn't move.[/size]

You have to remained focused and not get distracted by non-issues and the concept of inertia as I said relies on the fact that something must fundamentally act on nothing.

The fact remains that in order for A to move to the left it must push off of something tangible on some level because universal law dictates that something cannot act on nothing. B cannot act on itself nor can it act on supposedly empty space and it cannot act on nothing so you are only left with one viable solution.

People are creating BS circumstances to justify the fact they do not or cannot answer the fundamental question which is ... inertia is based on the observation that something is somehow acting on nothing. Something cannot resist the motion of something else without a frame of reference which relates to a tangible force on some level and in the case of inertia there is none.@Bill

Nothing "floats" in space at rest.  Even if something started out at rest instantaneously, it would quickly begin to be pulled toward the strongest gravitational field that acted upon it.  People think that if you shot a baseball up into space to an altitude of 600 miles, it would be in orbit...but, that baseball would simply fall back to the earth.  VonBraun launched rockets to this altitude and they did exactly that.  Orbit is a velocity...17,600 mph give or take not an altitude.  So, even our baseball would never be at "rest".  It would go up, and then come down.

@Bill

So how do you think this relates to the fact Inertia implies something must act on nothing Bill?. Your post is a non-issue and it is completely irrelevant because if you were actually paying attention you would know I said "space" not referring to low orbit which is a BS argument at best. So let's suppose it is in deep space billions of miles from nowhere what then Bill?. Just answer the question.... do you believe something can act on nothing or not?. That is the question not BS circumstances which have no real relation to the real question. A simple yes or no would be more than sufficient Bill.




AC