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New reactionless motor from India

Started by pomodoro, August 15, 2015, 07:43:38 AM

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gravityblock

Quote from: gravityblock on August 17, 2015, 03:15:35 AM
Your postulate above is based on a false assumption.  Trying to self-loop a system introduces additional resistant forces that were not previously there.  Such as deceleration, inertia, negative torques, and negative forces, etc. which acts against the system itself in which you're trying to self-loop.  In other-words, your postulate is based on a false assumption that there are no resistant forces introduced to the system that acts against the system itself when trying to self-loop it.

Gravock

MarkE and his minions can no longer use the argument that a system isn't COP > 1 if it can't be self-looped.  That argument is wrong based on a false assumption, as previously shown.

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

Quote from: gravityblock on August 17, 2015, 04:06:11 AM
MarkE and his minions can no longer use the argument that a system isn't COP > 1 if it can't be self-looped.  That argument is wrong based on a false assumption, as previously shown.

Gravock

Work can be done with no energy if that work is being done internally within the system itself.  However, if a system is doing work that is external to itself, then it requires energy to do that work.

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

Quote from: gravityblock on August 17, 2015, 04:52:07 AM
Work can be done with no energy if that work is being done internally within the system itself.  However, if a system is doing work that is external to itself, then it requires energy to do that work.

Gravock

AC,

This means inertia acts within and upon itself, and it requires no energy to do so.

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

MarkE

Quote from: gravityblock on August 17, 2015, 04:06:11 AM
MarkE and his minions can no longer use the argument that a system isn't COP > 1 if it can't be self-looped.  That argument is wrong based on a false assumption, as previously shown.

Gravock
LOL, it's straw man days again.  Set-up and slay arguments that you have invented.

As if you didn't already know:  COP is a figure of merit for heat pumps that measures the amount of heat energy moved relative to the energy expended moving that heat energy.  A 100% efficient heat pump moves N Joules of heat while expending zero Joules.  It would therefore have a COP of N/0 which is undefined. 

Next time please try a bit harder.

gravityblock

Quote from: MarkE on August 17, 2015, 05:08:21 AM
LOL, it's straw man days again.  Set-up and slay arguments that you have invented.

As if you didn't already know:  COP is a figure of merit for heat pumps that measures the amount of heat energy moved relative to the energy expended moving that heat energy.  A 100% efficient heat pump moves N Joules of heat while expending zero Joules.  It would therefore have a COP of N/0 which is undefined.

Next time please try a bit harder.

Call it whatever you want, but it doesn't change what it is.  Most people have adopted the analogy of a heat pump's COP to represent a system that is greater than unity.  I replaced COP > 1 with OU in my statement below.

MarkE and his minions can no longer use the argument that a system isn't OU if it can't be self-looped.  That argument is wrong based on a false assumption, as previously shown.

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.