Ed Gray's Circuit, am I in this alone?

[fcpeace17]

Can you explain to me how he put  the flat and cone shaped spiral coils in the center of his 'primary'? Did these spiral cone coils have a core around them? Also, did i also hear that when the radiant energy passed over each gap inbetween spirals of the spiral coil it gained energy? It seems like copper would vaporize if used for these high voltage leaps. So i am under the impression that Tesla wasnt interested in picking up the radiant energy in a close system (he tried to rid of the copper that would turn it back into normal stepped up dc) unlike gray who wanted to do a local system. How did Tesla not think that with all this energy radiating out it would be picked up by everything metal therefore causing an electrical potential in all metals, which would cause many people to be electrocuted and the like?Evan

[Wicaksono]

group-think can be good, just not in the 1984 sense. I have read Peter Lindemanns Secrets to Cold Electricity, I have also watched his 3 hour version which he presented the same information at a lecture at a hotel. I understand there are theories of how he died and if it was foul play. I have heard the relationship that his Circuit has to Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter. From my understanding of Tesla's experiments, he felt powerful shockwaves from his device and it could be turned back into usable energy by meeting with copper? Now how if he was to make such a large transmitter, wouldnt everything metal absorb energy therefore making many things electrically unstable to the touch. ZAP.
Also, on other posts i have heard them say Gray's circuit is close to that of Moray's, I have not studied Moray, so i may need some insight... If there truly is a connection then i would be more than happy to look into his creation. If i am understanding Gray's circuit and Tesla's circuit correctly, if i have a high voltage with the ability to pulse the on off switch at very high frequencies could i reproduce the white streamers that are cold to the touch, while the electrons stay in the system? of course i would not use high voltage when entering into the experiment becasue i would care to live, but as time goes on.
Does Edwin Gray's circuit produce ozone, because i have heard talk of possible ionization, and if i am correct, lightening is a form of ionization. I was under the impression that ionization gave off ozone. Gray said air is very important in his circuit, is this due to having to ionize the air? From what i understand both Tesla's and Gray's ideas were based around lightening, so did both give off ozone, were both ionizing air molecules? I want to get to the bottom of this circuit. Evan

1984 is a nice book (minipax, minitrue, miniluv, miniplenty) . I think Tao is right that Gray & Tesla circuit basically is the same, the differrence is Tesla used coils as secondary coil and Gray used copper tube as "secondary coil". About the HV pulse, this is based from my experiments, there is no streamers come out if there is only HV used (no powerful spark / arc gap). I think there is something in Gray's design of arc gap that he does not disclose in his patents that can make this streamer effect. The patents do not contain any explanation about current and length of the spark / arc gap. And about the ozone, yes it produces a lot of them, this is confirmed by Gray's electrical engineer Richard Hackenberger. You can find his report by googling "Hackenberger Report". The air is important for making spark / arc, and turned to be ozone. To Tao : nice theory, but I think we all have to see the "streamers" effect first before we can test whether it is perpendicular / spiral shape. Is there any theory about arc ?

[fcpeace17]

I thought i remember them saying about the spark gap there were two magnets on either side which allowed gray to send, choosingly, a positive or negative charge through the output. would the output be the same as the spark gap? so, are you saying grays secondary is 12 in the picture? the "grid around 12 which comes from the spark gap, i was under the impression this somehow also picked up the charge. also exactly is a leyden jar? Evan
ps. "he discovered carbon electrodes on nitrogen medium were the best on avoiding electron flow. " is this true about tesla, i read it in the steve marks forum? if so how did he use them to his advantage? Were the magnets tesla used across the spark gap of like polarity, how did this repel the electrons from coming out and only allow the aether? Evan II (edit)

[Wicaksono]

I thought i remember them saying about the spark gap there were two magnets on either side which allowed gray to send, choosingly, a positive or negative charge through the output. would the output be the same as the spark gap? so, are you saying grays secondary is 12 in the picture? the "grid around 12 which comes from the spark gap, i was under the impression this somehow also picked up the charge. also exactly is a leyden jar? Evan

I never hear anything about Gray using magnets in the spark gap, as far as I know the magnets only used in the motor. In the patent 12 is "primary coil", 34a & 34b are "secondary coil", and space between 12 and 32 is the spark gap.

[fcpeace17]

sorry, it was tesla with the magnetically quenched spark gap, why did he do this? what allows grey not to have to do this? is it because as soon as ed allowed radiant energy to be seen he would turn it into usable electrical energy unlike tesla? Evan