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Gravity magnetic lever wheel working in WM2D (could this work in reality!)

Started by inroades, October 18, 2006, 02:28:58 PM

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exnihiloest

Quote from: Charlie_V on May 11, 2007, 11:02:31 PM
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I still do not understand why science calls magnetic fields "potential" energy.  It is stored energy, but NOT in the form of potential.  It is stored as kinetic. 
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Sorry to quote myself:
"The energy of magnets is just the energy in the magnetic field that you put when you magnetize the magnet. It is very weak (=0.5*B?/mu per unit volume).
What seems big is the "potential energy" due to the relative position of magnets or masses in their respective magnetic or gravity fields. "

The magnetic potential energy let the ball move from the start point of a smot.
When a ferromagnetic object is attracted by a permanent magnet, it acquires kinetic energy and this energy comes from the initial magnetic potential energy of the object. This transformation is reversible.
Magnets permits to transforms magnetic potential energy into mechanical energy and vice versa without change in their internal magnetization.

A ferromagnetic body at a distance from a magnet is as a mass at a distance from a planet: it possesses potential energy that let it to "fall" to the magnet as a mass to the ground.






Omnibus

QuoteSorry to quote myself:
"The energy of magnets is just the energy in the magnetic field that you put when you magnetize the magnet. It is very weak (=0.5*B?/mu per unit volume).
What seems big is the "potential energy" due to the relative position of magnets or masses in their respective magnetic or gravity fields. "

The magnetic potential energy let the ball move from the start point of a smot.
When a ferromagnetic object is attracted by a permanent magnet, it acquires kinetic energy and this energy comes from the initial magnetic potential energy of the object. This transformation is reversible.
Magnets permits to transforms magnetic potential energy into mechanical energy and vice versa without change in their internal magnetization.

A ferromagnetic body at a distance from a magnet is as a mass at a distance from a planet: it possesses potential energy that let it to "fall" to the magnet as a mass to the ground.


This is incorrect. The correct analysis of SMOT proves that it produces energy from nothing and violates the principle of conservation of energy.

Indeed, take a look at http://omnibus.fortunecity.com/smot.gif  (if the link doesn?t open try clicking on Go in the address line and then Reload). The energy the researcher spends to raise the ball from A to B is

Energy_spent = ?mgh1 +(Ma ? Mb).

The ball returns spontaneously along the B-C-A portion of the loop the enegy:

Energy_obtained = +mgh1 +Mb = +mgh1 + mgh2 + (KE1 +RE2 +L1)

Where KE1 is the kinetic energy of the ball at C, RE1 is the rotational energy at C and L1 are the other energy losses at C. At point B? (not shown in the figure) the ball loses the height h2 and, respectively, loses its entire gravitational potential energy +mgh2 which at B? is transformed into [KE2 + RE2 +L2 + Mb?] where Mb? is the magnetic potential energy at point B? where the ball loses the height h2 (respectively, where the ball lose its entire +mgh2). Lumping the above terms together we get:

Energy_obtained = +mgh1 + [KE + RE +L] + Mb?

Therefore,

Energy_obtained ? Energy_spent = +mgh1 + [KE + RE +L] + Mb? - |?mgh1 +(Ma ? Mb)| = [KE + RE +L] +Mb? +Ma ?Mb > 0

Which is in violation of the principe of conservation of energy. The excess energy [KE + RE +L] +Mb? +Ma ?Mb produced has no source and is energy from nothing.

hartiberlin

Omnibus,
the free fortunecity hosting is just "crap",
they have  IP tracking enabled, so you can?t link
directly to pictures hosted therefromoutside,
onlyif you go via their servers...

Better host something like this at
download sides as
www.megaupload.com
or other free picture services like flickr.com
or simular...

or just make a index.htm file there at fortunecity
that points to your GIF picture.

Thanks.

P.S: The energy comes probably from converting
the magnet spin precession or via thermal cooling
via magnetic cycling effect.

Greg Watson and Epitaxy, who got the SMOT to rotate a few
times said, that after a few revolutions the ball sticked
to the track, so the ball changed its own
magnetisation after a few looped cycle rounds...

So you see, we really need an "intelligent ball"
made from an electromagnet with an iron core
that can kick itsself out of the track after having collected
induction energy while being accelerated through the track...

But this SMOT topic should be moved to the SMOT area over here.
so let?s stay ontopic here. Thanks.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

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with text !!
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