The Prometheus Effect, an OU Challenge

[PaulLowrance]

I checked it out for a few minutes so please excuse my dumb questions.  I played 3RampsLinked.avi.  Looked interesting but the quality was so poor I couldn't see any details.  So I tried ClimbDrop.mpeg.  Much better quality.  I did not try the ram's because I think those are realplayer.  I don't have rp and don't care for it.

Anyhow, I have one issue with the demo from the only video I could see details with, ClimbDrop.mpeg.  I don't like that the ball falls lower than where it started.  I'm sure you can see my reasoning, which is -> When the steel ball falls farther it can escape the magnets (which pulled it up) more easily.  Have you already or could you repeat that particular exact experiment except please allow the steel ball to fall to the same level where it started.  I would like to see if the steel ball can still escape.

Thanks,
Paul

[prometheus_effect]

Hi Paul,

Thanks for taking the time to have a look. You really do need to view the two Real Player videos and then study the measurement data (the .gif and .txt files) obtained by the independent OU verification team of Jean-Louis Naudin and French physics Professor Pierre Clauzon.

Best regards,
Prometheus Effect

[PaulLowrance]

Dear Prometheus Effect,

I just downloaded JLNClauzonOUTest.ram.  The other one, LongerOUVerification.rm, is no longer available.  I get the "Document Unavailable" web page error.

I have a big problem with the JLNClauzonOUTest.ram video.  I see the point they are trying to make in the video and I disagree.  They are showing how far the ball rolls when going through the magnets verses a drop off the ledge.  This is completely unscientific and unfair.  The ball has horizontal velocity in the first test and nearly zero horizontal velocity in the 2nd test.  In the 2nd test, most of the kinetic energy is dissipated from the near vertical fall.  If you drop a steel ball straight down, then it will not bounce up with hardly any velocity.  So most of its energy is dissipated.  In the 1st test the steel ball has horizontal velocity.

Here's an example that clearly demonstrates what that test is doing.  Take a nice smooth rounded ramp, like a skateboard ramp.  Take the ball to top of ramp and allow ball to roll down ramp.  After the ramp is a slight inclined hill.  Measure how far the ball rolls up the hill.  Now replace the rounded ramp with a much steeper inclined ramp-- nearly vertical.  Drop the ball from the top of the ramp and measure how far the ball rolls up the hill.  You will see that in the first test with the more rounded ramp that the ball rolls higher.  In both ramp tests, we are moving the ball up to top of ramp.  This gives the ball potential energy.  When the ball rolls down it gains kinetic energy.  In the first ramp test, we are transferring more of the kinetic energy to the horizontal axis.  In the second ramp test, we are transferring most of the energy in the vertical axis.  Can't you see the difference?  In the second ramp test, most of the energy will be dissipated in the downward movement.  Whereas in the first ramp test most of the energy will be dissipated in a horizontal movement, moving up the ramp-- a horizontal movement.  To really clarify this for you, take both extremes.  Throw a rock straight down.  Then throw a rock sideways.

Huge difference!

I have a valid test and perhaps you have already performed this test.  All that matters is can the steel ball travel to the same height that it started AWAY from the magnets.  In other words, you drop the steel ball, it rolls up the hill as the magnets pull it up, and now it must break free from the magnets.  So it seems obvious that you are using gravity to break the ball free from the magnets.  So do what ever you think is best in breaking free, just as long as the Steel Ball ends up away from that end of the magnets AND at the same level that the ball start.  If you have such a video then please by all means show me where it is.

I don't see this as free energy because it seems like a balanced test.  That is, you use magnetic attraction to pull away from gravity, then you use gravity to pull away from magnetic attraction.  If this was free energy then all you would have to do is get about four of your ramps and rotate each one so that they form a closed loop circle.  The ball would eventually end up where it started and would continue to roll up and down the ramps forever.  I suspect somebody has already tried this and failed because it seems like the obvious test.

Sincerely,
Paul

[hartiberlin]

Hi Paul,
Prometheus Effect= Greg Watson and Epitaxy had alread achived rollaround
in a loop for at least 5 times until the ball too much energy and jumped out of the tracks.

I think the new measurement system of Greg Watson is a valid OU measurement system.

Regards, Stefan.

[PaulLowrance]

Dear Stefan,

Don't you think such a machine would be top of the video file list at the Prometheus Effect Yahoo groups?  I looked at all of them and did not see such a machine.  I am very skeptical on this one Stephan.  How long has this Prometheus Effect steel ball magnet thing been around?  If it is new, as in few months, then that is a different story.  If it's been around a year or more than I see nearly 100% chance that Greg Watson and Epitaxy is a hoax and not true.

I'm sorry, I just don't see this one being free energy, much less OU.  I think OU is possible on a quantum scale, not macro scale.  I see free energy possible on the atomic scale such as the Magnetocaloric effect and perhaps on a more macro scale such as Bruce Depalma N-machine.

My 2 cents ... and I know I know, worth every cent of it. :-)
Paul