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Stan Meyer's Initial Technology Replicated

Started by chessnyt, January 10, 2016, 06:41:51 PM

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SeaMonkey

Chess,

Very interesting topic you've implemented here.

May I commend you on your well constructed postings?
Your grammar, spelling, demeanor and very clear
(unambiguous) explanations are a superb example of
how it should be done!

pomodoro

All chess needs to do now is present some accurate data and figures. Not all that easy to do, but oscilloscope volts and current to the cell and time to generate 100 ml of gas would be a start.

chessnyt

Quote from: SeaMonkey on February 04, 2016, 06:33:07 PM
Chess,

Very interesting topic you've implemented here.

May I commend you on your well constructed postings?
Your grammar, spelling, demeanor and very clear
(unambiguous) explanations are a superb example of
how it should be done!
@SeaMonkey:
Thank you for the comment.  I try to put forth my best efforts in all that I do in order to maximize the results.  This build is no exception.  Additionally, I try convey clear and accurate communication to those interested in these efforts. 

@pomodoro:
Room temperature during test runs is 75 degrees F and the resistance of the tap water (according to my Fluke digital multi-meter) is .749 mega ohms.

@Everyone:
Determining whether the process is endothermic or exothermic is the next order of business.  This a very relevant and important determination to make.  This was a factor that I simply overlooked in the past, but thanks to an anonymous source, I am now paying close attention to this detail as it does indeed merit investigating.

I am in the process of creating a "cocoon" around the fuel cell using fiberglass insulation.  I am also acclimating the tap water used in testing to room temperature beforehand. 

Please be patient with the forthcoming results.  My limited free time is hindering an expedient conclusion.


Best regards,

Chess

pomodoro

I had a quick look on the net and there are a few journal articles that clearly show that voltage pulses of short duration charge the double layer only at first, because the speed of initiating electrolysis is quite slow.. Then,  the double layer discharges by the electrolytic process.
The efficiency reported  for electrolysis is considerably higher than DC, but not OU. Quite amazing.

Chess, are you sure you have been working on water electrolysis for ten years ?? Not being rude but surely you should know after that time that you can't use a multimeter to measure the resistivity of water. First of all its resistivity not resistance, also, you can't use DC , it needs to be by AC.. ;) ;)

chessnyt

Quote from: pomodoro on February 07, 2016, 06:32:08 PM
I had a quick look on the net and there are a few journal articles that clearly show that voltage pulses of short duration charge the double layer only at first, because the speed of initiating electrolysis is quite slow.. Then,  the double layer discharges by the electrolytic process.
The efficiency reported  for electrolysis is considerably higher than DC, but not OU. Quite amazing.

Chess, are you sure you have been working on water electrolysis for ten years ?? Not being rude but surely you should know after that time that you can't use a multimeter to measure the resistivity of water. First of all its resistivity not resistance, also, you can't use DC , it needs to be by AC.. ;) ;)
@pomodoro:
No, I have not been working on water electrolysis for ten years.  It's more like 35 years.  Fortunately for me, the state I live in does not require a license or a degree in chemistry to perform electrolysis yet.  I've been building and operating electrolysis cells since I was a teenager.  In all this time, I have never used a resistivity meter, as I had been using distilled water mixed with KOH (and sometimes substitute electrolytes) in exact ratios in most cases. 

My background is far from being a scientist (like this is some great big revelation).  I have never once EVER claimed to be a scientist.  The mere fact that SOMEONE had to anonymously suggest that I check my process to determine if it is endothermic or exothermic should have been a VERY strong clue.  I think everybody noticed it was NOT my idea.

Additionally, I never even thought to insulate the cell until it was suggested to me just recently (another BIG clue along the way).
My background is in electronics, and in my professional career, I specialize in industrial automation.  I did mention that I do all this "building" and experimentation in my SPARE time, did I not? 

The scientific interests that will be reviewing my work at a later time will be using much more sophisticated testing and measuring equipment than I have available to me.  They will also be thoroughly analyzing the test water (I would imagine they know what a resistivity meter is, being they are REAL chemists).  I would also imagine they might be taking calorie measurements instead of the cheap and simple "K" thermocouple probe readings I am taking.   

I hope you are not crossed by my having to point out that tap water is in fact NOT pure water?   ;) ;)


Cheers,

Chess