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Moon Walkers.

Started by tinman, January 22, 2016, 04:30:29 AM

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picowatt

Quote from: tinman on January 24, 2016, 06:27:10 PM
I must say the same in your direction PW.
Maybe go back and read some of the thing's you posted.
E.G
1- your dispute in regards to my termination of convection and conduction of heat in relation to the subject at hand-->who is correct there?

I have no idea what you are referring to.  What is "termination of convection"?  I stand behind my posts and will admit to any errors you point out.  Please do quote a post.  I recall you stating, regarding the vacuum of the moon, that heat can only flow via conduction and my response was "conduction to what?" and offered that conduction could be used to sink heat to the lunar surface, but that the lunar soil was a fairly poor conductor of heat.  Is that the post you are referring to?

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2-The video i posted,where as you said we need to pay attention to the forground--which changes,and yet the back ground remained exactly the same--how is that i wonder?

In that video, I watched the discussion related to the first two image comparisons.  Sure the perspective of the distant objects changed very little, but it was obvious from the changes to the foreground that the two pictures were taken from different positions.
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3-You asking me how i came to the conclusion that the flag was some sort of polyester/plastic material--who was right on that one?.

And although you may have been right, there is no way to tell what the material is from an image.  I am glad you are not my defense lawyer (or prosecutor for that matter).
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4-and now the space suit. For this i ask you to post the pressure differential between the inside of the space suit,and the outside of the space suit. Use PSI if you can,and let's see what pressure these space suit's had to withstand. Once we have that pressure differential,we can produce a replication,and see it that material composite can withstand that pressure. Then we can also try and work out as to why the space suits do not puff up like the Michelin man. The picture provided shows no sign's of the space suits being under extreme pressure,and yet we know that the men inside will not be subject the the very low pressure of space,and it will be a low pressure,as 0 pressure can only be obtained in an absolute vacuum--which space is not,but very close too.

Seriously?  If you did even the slightest bit of research, or even watched the link I have provided twice now, you would know that the pressure differential you are asking about is zero psi.  That white outer suit is a non pressurized layer, a coverall if you prefer, and it is not pressurized.  The pressure suit is a separate suit/layer inside the white outer suit.  Would you really want to risk puncturing your pressure suit by wearing it on the outside?

That you did not know this yet somehow feel qualified to critique everything Apollo just amazes me...

picowatt

Regarding how to get rid of heat in outer space:

Heat flows from higher temperatures to lower temperature.

In a vacuum, heat moves via radiation.

What is the temperature of outer space? (hint: "Mars ain't the kind of place place to raise your kids, in fact its...")

Why did the space shuttle open the bay doors and point them away from the sun soon after it reached orbit?

Spoiler alert:
From http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/shuttle/reference/shutref/structure/baydoors.html

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The payload bay doors are opened shortly after orbit is achieved to allow exposure of the environmental control and life support system radiators for heat rejection of the orbiter's systems.

...The forward 30-foot sections of both doors incorporate radiators that can be deployed; they are hinged and latched to the door inner surface in order to reject the excess heat of the Freon-21 coolant loops from both sides of the radiator panels when the doors are open. An electromechanical actuation system on the door unlatches and deploys the radiators when open and latches and stows the radiators when closed. The radiators may be left in the stowed position for a given flight and will only radiate the excess heat from the one side. Fixed radiator panels are installed on the forward end of the aft payload bay doors and radiate from one side only. Kitted fixed radiator panels may be installed on the aft end of the aft payload bay doors when required by a specific mission; they also will radiate from only one side.

Objects in space hotter than space, radiate heat out into space. 
   
ISS cooling:
http://www.space.com/21059-space-station-cooling-system-explained-infographic.html

tinman

Quote from: picowatt on January 24, 2016, 06:34:31 PM
Which would have next to nothing to do with the requirements of spaceflight.

Could you even model the degree of protection needed to prevent damage from micrometeorite strikes and as well do it with not one gram more weight than is necessary?  Would you even be able to accurately model micrometeorite strike or thermodynamic requirements?  If you cannot appreciate the engineering used in the LEM, it only reflects on your limitations.  As a mechanical engineer, you should be in awe of the task that was at hand and the simple yet heavily tested and well engineered solutions arrived at.

The fact that you think you could do better with regard to spaceflight, is delusional.

You really should visit a shake and bake facility.  Perhaps they don't exist in Australia.  It is very apparent you are out of your league and know not of what you speak.  That you feel yourself qualified to critique the Apollo designs is in itself delusional.
And now you would have me believe that you are an imaging expert as well...
 
You know so little about the thermodynamics of space or on the moon, but somehow feel qualified to make judgements regarding the hard work and engineering of those that do.  Do you believe the space shuttle or the ISS were/are real?  Do you believe those geosynchronous satellites beaming weather and video to you are real?  How about those LEO GPS sats?  They all have to deal with the issue of getting rid of heat in space.  I have provided clues to the answers in discussing an astronaut on the moon, but really, if you are going to critique Apollo, or any other space related system, I think you should take the time to research just how it is done first.

This is like you saying that scientists have it all wrong when you have know idea or understanding of what it is those scientists know.

No, I am not kidding, you cannot tell what that material is just from looking at the image.

I see you have resorted to tactics as used by those like MH-quoting false bullshit. It is sad to see you resort to such tactics PW. I have never said I could design or construct a space flight ready vehicle. In faxt, I have clearly stated that I could not do that on my own-so please stop reverting to these tactics, with the intent on trying to discredit me-as that is just straight lying-and people that read this thread will see that.

I have made  a claim that I could design and build a lunar rover type vehicle-twice the vehicle at half the total cost--and I stand by my statement.

Once again-please stop posting lies.

Brad

tinman

Quote from: picowatt on January 24, 2016, 06:34:31 PM
Which would have next to nothing to do with the requirements of spaceflight.

Could you even model the degree of protection needed to prevent damage from micrometeorite strikes and as well do it with not one gram more weight than is necessary?  Would you even be able to accurately model micrometeorite strike or thermodynamic requirements?  If you cannot appreciate the engineering used in the LEM, it only reflects on your limitations.  As a mechanical engineer, you should be in awe of the task that was at hand and the simple yet heavily tested and well engineered solutions arrived at.

The fact that you think you could do better with regard to spaceflight, is delusional.

You really should visit a shake and bake facility.  Perhaps they don't exist in Australia.  It is very apparent you are out of your league and know not of what you speak.  That you feel yourself qualified to critique the Apollo designs is in itself delusional.
And now you would have me believe that you are an imaging expert as well...
 
You know so little about the thermodynamics of space or on the moon, but somehow feel qualified to make judgements regarding the hard work and engineering of those that do.  Do you believe the space shuttle or the ISS were/are real?  Do you believe those geosynchronous satellites beaming weather and video to you are real?  How about those LEO GPS sats?  They all have to deal with the issue of getting rid of heat in space.  I have provided clues to the answers in discussing an astronaut on the moon, but really, if you are going to critique Apollo, or any other space related system, I think you should take the time to research just how it is done first.

This is like you saying that scientists have it all wrong when you have know idea or understanding of what it is those scientists know.

No, I am not kidding, you cannot tell what that material is just from looking at the image.

Once again-as I said-I am not sure, and so I asked you the questions I did. But once again you take a hostile approach toward me, in stead of answering the questions. Do you know the thermodynamic properties on the moons surface?--are you saying I am wrong about conduction and convection heat dissipation on the moon?.

MileHigh

I don't quote any BS that I am aware of.   Brad, you are clearly out of your league and PW knows what he is talking about and you don't when it comes to a lot of issues that have been put on the table.  You haven't made a credible case at all and the only people that are going to believe you are the same type of people that are convinced that the WTC towers were wired with explosives.

You are not wise enough to state when you are out of your league.  You are clearly not a mechanical engineer.