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Moon Walkers.

Started by tinman, January 22, 2016, 04:30:29 AM

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Nink

Quote from: MileHigh on January 24, 2016, 03:31:33 AM
Think about this...  If the moon landings were faked then presumably the entire LRO design team and operations team would have to be in on the conspiracy.  We can guess that half to two-thirds of the personnel on both teams weren't even born when the first moon landing was made.  So that means you had to sign fresh engineering students out of college into secrecy into a nefarious criminal government plot.  Once you just tell them that they have to sign they are bound to not tell anyone that you asked them to sign even if they aren't hired.

The criminal conspiracy is unworkable and doesn't make any sense.  Whenever a new space probe is developed that images the moon you have to sign the new team into a criminal conspiracy.

It makes about as much sense as stating that the WTC towers were wired with explosives ahead of time.

The way NASA works is to keep every group completely departmentalized.  Your team is to build a Rover. My team built the thrusters etc.  Now everything is assembled.  Once the Rocket is launched everyone works completely from data received to understand the status of the mission.  The data can either be real or simulated. 

So all they had to do was build a rocket, fly up to space, orbit around a few times and come back home.  In the mean time transmit a bunch of fake data back and play some pre-recorded video that was projected at a low lumen 640 * 480 onto a screen in Black and White and then filmed off that screen by the various TV networks.   The only people who needed to know were the Astronauts, the president and a handful of people including the guy who streamed the fake video from the Parkes radio telescope in Australia that was actually damaged by a storm that morning. The reason they needed to use such a huge dish and no one else could receive the signal was because apparently the astronauts did not even have an antenna large enough to transmit a signal to earth.


Did I mention that I built a 50K Watt water powered generator, Here is a video and the data to prove it  WWW.GDSTECHNOLOGIES.COM   

lumen

You only need about 3 PSI of mostly oxygen to survive in space.

There are also many photos of Earth bound equipment tests that seem to get confused in the mix.

picowatt

Quote from: tinman on January 24, 2016, 07:56:22 AM
Insulation dear Watson lol.

Im more interested in what the differential pressure was between the inside and outside of the space suits. Looking at the first image,it would appear as though there was none--note all the wrinkles in the suit. The second image is what i would expect to see lol.

Once again you demonstrate an extreme ignorance of the subject matter.

In the vacuum of space or on the surface of the moon, there is no "air" to support conduction or generate convection.  All heat flow is by way of radiation and absorption.  In recent posts you asked what the temperature on the moon was and I provided you with the extremes that I have seen published (+/-200C).  Those temperature extremes are of the lunar surface temperature.  There is no "air" so there is no other temperature to discuss.  The temperature of any object on the moon will depend on its reflection and absorption properties with regard to the solar flux to which it is exposed.

Here on Earth, if the surface temperature were +200C, the air temperature would be very hot indeed, because air is a pretty good conductor of heat, particularly when compared to a vacuum.  Surely most are familiar with a vacuum thermos.  They are typically made from two walls of glass separated by a vacuum.  No heat can flow thru the vacuum by conduction.  But, thermal (infrared) radiation can flow thru the vacuum so the walls are typically metalized so as to reflect and prevent the flow of radiated heat.

So, now you are standing on the moon, in a vacuum thermos, so to speak.  Your temperature will depend for the most part on what you are wearing and whether you are in the direct sun or in a shadow.  If you are wearing a layered spacesuit that has reflective layers designed to efficiently reflect visible, IR, and UV wavelengths, even while standing in the direct sun, you will experience only a moderate rise in temperature.  In fact, if an astronaut has his back to the sun, his hands would be in his own shadow and would become cold very quickly.

Similarly, the LEM only needs to reflect away as much solar flux as possible using its outer layer of panels.  They are not perfect reflectors so their temperature will slowly climb.  As their temperature increases, they will tend to radiate away heat from their inner surface.  To reduce the flow of radiated heat, a layered thermal barrier (IR barrier) of insulation is suspended between (not touching) the inner and outer wall panels.  Because of the vacuum, the only other heat flow path between the inner and outer walls of the LEM is by way of conduction thru the standoffs that support the outer wall panels away from the inner wall.  A minimum number of standoffs were used to reduce this conductive heat path, and is why the outer panels have very few attachment points and are effectively draped over the inner structure in a tent like fashion.  The gold metalized mylar films used to wrap the struts and lower sections of the lander are also used to reflect infrared wavelengths and prevent those areas of the lander from becoming excessively hot.


You have asked how the astronauts handled the extreme cold of the lunar night.  A lunar day and lunar night are each 2 weeks long.  The astronauts were never on the moon during a lunar night.  In fact, NASA timed the lunar landings to occur during the lunar dawn (morning).  The surface temperature at that time was still relatively cool.   


(Surely the phases of the moon were explained to you in grade school science class.  Were you paying attention?  Does "28 days" ring a bell?)

PW

picowatt

Quote from: tinman on January 24, 2016, 07:56:22 AM
Insulation dear Watson lol.

Im more interested in what the differential pressure was between the inside and outside of the space suits. Looking at the first image,it would appear as though there was none--note all the wrinkles in the suit. The second image is what i would expect to see lol.

I am sorry Tinman, but my respect for any intellectual prowess I may have credited you with in the past is dwindling rather quickly.  In fact, I am finding it hard to believe you were ever 27 years old.

With only the slightest amount of research into the design of the Apollo space suits, you would not be asking this silly question or poking fun using the Michelin man.

And yet you claim to be an "active" mechanical engineer and would lead us to believe you have an open and scientific mind...

PW

Link I posted in other thread some time ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urnoer7w4wM

picowatt

Quote from: Nink on January 24, 2016, 09:21:40 AM
The way NASA works is to keep every group completely departmentalized.  Your team is to build a Rover. My team built the thrusters etc.  Now everything is assembled.  Once the Rocket is launched everyone works completely from data received to understand the status of the mission.  The data can either be real or simulated. 

So all they had to do was build a rocket, fly up to space, orbit around a few times and come back home.  In the mean time transmit a bunch of fake data back and play some pre-recorded video that was projected at a low lumen 640 * 480 onto a screen in Black and White and then filmed off that screen by the various TV networks.   The only people who needed to know were the Astronauts, the president and a handful of people including the guy who streamed the fake video from the Parkes radio telescope in Australia that was actually damaged by a storm that morning. The reason they needed to use such a huge dish and no one else could receive the signal was because apparently the astronauts did not even have an antenna large enough to transmit a signal to earth.


Did I mention that I built a 50K Watt water powered generator, Here is a video and the data to prove it  WWW.GDSTECHNOLOGIES.COM

Wow, do some research...

There was a worldwide tracking network located so Apollo could be tracked during all times of day and night on Earth.

As well, the Russians had there own tracking network used for their moon missions and also kept an eye on Apollo.

Amateur radio operators were also able to track/receive transmissions from Apollo.

Everyone would have noticed if Apollo never left orbit...

PW