Simple questions

[NickZ]

 
   Maybe, You should lighten up... about your evaluations concerning where the extra energy is coming from, (the wall), 
   I just don't buy it...
   Sorry to disagree.

     

[Pirate88179]

     I've heard it all before. It's the same bullshit that we learned in school over the last 100 years. And, is why I say that the cause of this energy is NOT coming from the magnet, coils, or their movement.  But, from something else, instead,  the invisible Aether, along with the Earth vortexial motion, and force field. Which you can't prove, or disprove, nor can current science.
That is the "prime mover", in this case, instead.
 
   The Earth vortexial motion and it's force field is what's moving, all the time, and if it were not so, moving a magnet by a coil, would be like moving a piece of wood by the coils, instead.  The cause is not in the movement, but in the field that the magnet and coils are in. The same field that is holding our planet in it's orbit. There is already "movement" going on all the time.  What we need to learn to do, is to tap Earth's force field. Which is what some of these devices are doing. And is what Tesla has mentioned many many times. Yet our best scientist, don't believe it? They think that they know more about it, than Tesla.

Come on man, this is like saying that I can place a piece of sandpaper on a block of wood, and it will sand down the wood because both are moving in the universe.  Of course we know it does not work this way.


What we are talking about here is relative motion...the paper to the wood...the magnet to the coil.  To my knowledge, Tesla never said or wrote anything that went against the laws of physics as you suggest.  He was well trained in those laws and all of his work proves this.


If you want to tap into radiant energy, just move a magnet past a coil...but of course, this takes work to do.


Bill

[Khwartz]

Webby is 100% correct.

Take solar cells.  If you gave one to a guy that had no idea what they were, and he put one in the sun and measured 6 volts/300mA, he would claim overunity as he had not put anything into this circuit but was getting all of this output.

Then, as Webby said so eloquently, someone explains to this guy that the sun is putting out all of this energy, and his cell is only 9% efficient, and if you add up the sun's input, minus the losses...guess what?  It equals the output of his cell.  So, now that this guy knows this...no overunity...just unity as the laws of thermodynamics dictate.

The above is a simplistic example yet it applies to ANY situation you can come up with concerning an "unknown" energy source.  It has nothing to do with believing in the impossible, or saying..."as far as we know"...it is just simple physics with some semantics tossed in.

The energy comes from somewhere...once you know where...it is no longer overunity.

Bill

Hi Bill,

I remember you there are TWO ratios which near always confused:

one is the PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY

and the other one is the COEFFICIENT OF PERFORMANCE, or COP.


The first is about what you say: we just make the ratio of the sum of all USABLE// POWER OUTPUTS and we divide by the the sum of all POWER INPUT.


For the COP it has been made to compare the TOTAL USABLE POWER to the TOTAL POWER WE PAY// FOR, that is what we do in heat pumps calculations.


We pump the THERMAL POWER coming from the environment and we transfert it in the house, for example.

To know the COP we don't make the ratio:

INSIDE USABLE THERMAL POWER OUTPUT under (OUTSIDE THERMAL POWER INPUT + MOTOR CONSUMPTION),

which will give us indeed roughly the PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY of the heat pump, we make the ratio:

INSIDE USABLE THERMAL POWER OUTPUT under MOTOR CONSUMPTION

because we might PAY// for the energy to feed the motor of the pump.

And yes, as for the photovoltaic cells, the PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY will be low but the COP is several times overunity.


So, I do agree with you: as soon as we know the SOURCE, the RESERVOIR ("Dirac sea", "Zero Point Energy", Radiant Energy", Cosmic Rays, etc.) then we should be able to demonstrate it will have an EXPENSE in energy with which we will make the conversion, but still, as these energy would be FOR FREE, then the COP is INFINITE, like in any indeed existing "Free Energy Devices" like solar system, wind turbines, hydroelectric power plants.

Note:

It is NOT because the ENERGY RESERVOIR is For Free that it cost nothing to "PUMP" in the reservoir or to CONVERT its energy; its what happen clearly with heat pumps.

But any device has a COST TO BUILT IT and a USING DURATION, and maybe some maintenance to do during its life. This COST should be divided by the number of kWh it will produce during this same period of time, and often, we see that this cost is far to be negligible! This is what make solar, wind and sea kWh having indeed a price so that they are not "For Free", even just taken just out of the power plant.