Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story

[Eighthman]

If both the Linevich device and the Aspden effect are real............then, it should be possible to remove energy from a spinning rotor during a fraction of its rotation and then use LESS energy in pulses to maintain that rotation.


So, the two observations appear consistent - and useful.  Was this seeming 'fact' observed by anyone else - Bedini, maybe - using a pulse motor with a rotor? 

[Temporal Visitor]

If both the Linevich device and the Aspden effect are real............then, it should be possible to remove energy from a spinning rotor during a fraction of its rotation and then use LESS energy in pulses to maintain that rotation.


So, the two observations appear consistent - and useful.  Was this seeming 'fact' observed by anyone else - Bedini, maybe - using a pulse motor with a rotor?

You asked: "Was this seeming 'fact' observed by anyone else - Bedini, maybe - using a pulse motor with a rotor?"
My reply: Yes many others, myself included and referred to repeatedly in my own work. Excerpts from my website with links below. 


"• FLYWHEELS have a "threshold velocity" at which they DEVELOP more Kinetic energy per  second than is required to be input to maintain that given VELOCITY!" - from http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/dynamics.html

and:
"Moreover an ordinary electric motor with a properly sized solid Matter flywheel installed is doing the work of rotating it, and consumes less electrical power per second maintaining the Velocity of the flywheel than the Kinetic energy developed by the flywheel per second." - from http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/reality.html

and:
"The work of this system is only to maintain a designed Velocity of all other systems by maintaining Volumes of Matter in motion at the designed Velocity." - from http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/open%20source.html

and:
"You should notice there has been no "fuel" has been mentioned. For the simple fact that after being placed in motion the SOLID MATTER IN MOTION DEVELOPS more energy than is being input to the Prime mover as long as VELOCITY is MAINTAINED. This system can be arranged to be self sustaining because of its over efficient design and the fact that the Laws of Nature support and allow it." - from http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/paths.html

and:
"KEY II.2 UNDERSTAND Nature shows you its Mechanical energy is that of its Matter in Motion it maintains in motion at a Velocity of its choosing to DEVELOP whatever amount of energy it needs to do whatever work it decides needs to be done using any of its own forces the move matter in and through its space over its Time." - from http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/knowledge.html

and:
"4. A Mechanical method and means to extract, convert and transfer Kinetic energy between solid matter objects as high pressure Mechanical energy  pulses to develop/introduce non equilibrium into a system of inherent equilibrium,

5. A Mechanical means to split Time between Kinetic energy development, extraction and transfer of the high pressure Mechanical energy pulses,

6. A greater volume of matter in motion absorbing/receiving the Mechanical energy pulses at a Mechanical advantage, developing additional Kinetic energy and driving an electrical alternator/generator continuously." -
from http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/index.html

and:
"The Wheel

A wheel is Matter having potential energy. Once in motion it has Kinetic energy. Putting it in motion from rest required power and force for a period of time to overcome Inertia and friction.

We know we can pulse power/force into a wheel for periods of time that are less than one full revolution of the wheel and Kinetic energy in the wheel will carry it around to get another pulse, time after time. That is what we do in piston engines to make Horsepower, converting combustible fuels into heat energy, pressure, and force to act on levers that convert linear motion to rotary to get Torque and RPM." - from http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/time.html

and:
"A flywheel may also be used to supply intermittent pulses of energy at transfer rates that exceed the abilities of its energy source, or when such pulses would disrupt the energy supply (e.g., public electric network)." - from http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/dynamics.html

A couple years ago Grahm (Grumage) built a test rig to look for the "Aspden effect", AFAIK he did not see or find any such effect. In all my years of work with Matter in motion (flywheels) it has never been noticed and I did even spend a few hours looking myself after having talked with Grahm about his efforts.

As for the "Linevich device", well I've been down a similar road on my own never even being aware of him until reading his name here. It is another path much can be learned from, just not all that easy or "practical" IMHO.

Bottom line is: Regardless of Aspden and Linevich being reality or not: Kinetic energy is mechanical energy that can be used to MAKE MORE of the same , over and over again. That is reality that does not depend on them, or any of "us", nor can "we" change it.

[vince]

https://youtu.be/lFornDBZsJY


Perhaps you did not see my experiment with this subject on an earlier topic,  Double pendulum.


vince

[Eighthman]

There was a significant replication of what Aspden talked about:


http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Gyroscopic_Anomalies.  I will look into the pendulum material as I get time.


[size=78%]I tried to plow thru the kinetic energy/wheel stuff and I'm not clear if anything beyond classical physics is being discussed.  If there is something overunity/non-conservative being discussed, that's what I wanna focus on.  Can we remove X amount of energy from a rotating flywheel and then add less than X to return it to the same speed?  Not just a zero sum withdrawal of stored momentum.[/size]


Maybe.... this would be an effect of inertia itself that was never completely calculated ... as perhaps Kanarev suggested.  It 'wants' to keep rotating and that could end up 'creating' energy.

[Temporal Visitor]

There was a significant replication of what Aspden talked about:


http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Gyroscopic_Anomalies.  I will look into the pendulum material as I get time.

"significant" to what? Nothing in it leads to "making energy" or "time".  You NEED both, everyone else does as well.
Pendulums necessarily involve; Matter, motion, a frame, KINETIC ENERGY, and TIME.

"as I get time." Where does TIME come from?
Pendulums have very limited power output potential for a number of reasons, the most obvious are low VELOCITY and oscillating motion that WASTES TIME. Precious TIME when it is used for making electricity.

[size=78%]I tried to plow thru the kinetic energy/wheel stuff and I'm not clear if anything beyond classical physics is being discussed.

From the time stamp on our postings it appears you may have spent as much as two hours trying to "plow thru".
Consider what is involved in "making energy" to power a conventional generator: that alone requires making more time within your time.

  If there is something overunity/non-conservative being discussed, that's what I wanna focus on.

Did you catch my position on "overunity"?
"Over-unity" is FICTION.
100% is UNITY. To think otherwise is delusional. Requiring one to deceive themselves or allow their being to be deceived by another. In "reality" there is no such thing or effect for the simple fact: All that is "real" is something and has to come from a source." - from http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/overunity.html

and:
Please find the "BASICS" at http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/wpimages/wp1ce1af03_06.png

  Can we remove X amount of energy from a rotating flywheel and then add less than X to return it to the same speed?  Not just a zero sum withdrawal of stored momentum.[/font][/size]

Some people can but not ALL. Only because there is no "WE", as that would require UNITY where in fact there seems to be none.

Maybe.... this would be an effect of inertia itself that was never completely calculated ... as perhaps Kanarev suggested.  It 'wants' to keep rotating and that could end up 'creating' energy.

There is NO LAW that stops Nature from manifesting its KINETIC ENERGY. Make time to learn the lessons Nature provides.