Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device

[MileHigh]

I sampled both clips and I don't think there is anything there.  At 35:00 in the second clip Russ says that he has OU based on his input and output analog voltage and current meters but they can't account for power factor.  Meanwhile the DSO shot in the same video frame shows a power factor of possibly 0.699.  However every single power measurement being made by the DSO has a question mark after the numbers presumably indicating that the DSO is sensing that there is a problem with the sampling of the waveforms.  It looks like for the entire second half of the second clip the DSO is showing question marks.

I don't have all of the information because I am not watching the clips in their entirety and I may not be able to see attachments in Russ' forum thread and I mostly skimmed through the thread.  That being said, this is what I believe:

I don't think that a schematic of the Rodin coil has been published, and the exact electrical configuration of the coil may be unknown.  I don't think he has shown any schematics of his test setups or where his measurement probes are on his test setups.  That is a cardinal sin in the realm of electronics testing.  On top of that this is the first time ever that he is doing any of this stuff and is feeling it out as he goes along.  Then of course he is a family man with a full time job and he is doing this all late at night and doesn't have time to properly document himself.

With all of his good intentions, and his limited time, right now it would appear that he has nothing and unfortunately it looks like he has picked up the bad habits of TheOldScientist.  The only way he could get even close to making a case would be to follow up on the live streaming clips with a short five-minute clip showing the measurements backed up with a full schematic showing the test points.

MileHigh

[tinman]

Watching the first clip,i notice at 2:13:35,he mentions that he is using AC coupling on the scope.
Is Russ making the same mistake as EMJ here?-using AC coupling to make power measurements.


Brad

[dieter]

Actually, the people who _really_ know their stuff, the ones that are interested anyway, are telling you that these things do NOT work as claimed, they do NOT produce "overunity" in terms of more energy out than in, they will _never_ produce self-runners or power loads at greater efficiency than known ordinary techniques, and many of them (like Akula/Ruslan/Kapanadze; FTW QEG, etc.) are outright hoaxes, fraud's even and scams.

Yes, many of them are scams. And the term Overunity may also be unlogical.

But there are definitely selfrunners. Basicly it is all about the search for a new and convenient energy source. It does not matter if we, at some point in time, will become able to explain where the energy comes from, seen from the POV of presence it is free energy, overunity if you want. Eg. a crystal radio set. Or beta decay, which people couldn't explain and seriously begun to question the validity of the law of conservation of energy. Or why helium does not freeze at 0K. The casimir force and zero point energy flux. We're just beginning to realize that there are endless amounts of energy all around us. Reality is not constructed after our "laws", but our "laws" are shortsighted observations of the fraction of reality we glimpsed so far.

Before it's always magic, unbelievable or overunity. But after its introduction to our daily lifes it's simply science, and tk etc. will say "oh I knew that, I always did."

[Dog-One]

Yes Brad,

Russ did start out using AC coupling and I told him directly to never do that again unless he only intends to see an AC signal riding atop a highly DC biased waveform.  It's possible the AC coupling is why the scope is showing a question mark since it has to assume the waveform is zero centered.

@MileHigh,

The attachments at OSE do discuss the schematic, but basically it is two 12 conductor bundled windings arranged as (semi litz wire) shown below.  One of them is L1 (input) and the other L2 (output).  Currently, Russ doesn't have the full 50/50 split as 007 did because he was worried he would fry the amplifier with the DC ohms being below 4.  I think he only has two wires used as the "copper core" and the other ten running zig-zag.


The major challenge comes into play from this point forward in figuring out what 007 had done to the output PSU that was engineered to accept 2000 volts input.  My understanding is it uses a mass of diodes for some purpose, which is why Russ is now using LED lamps instead of filament lamps.  Russ was told the filament lamps simply will not work.  Maybe Brad can walk him through how to make an effective light-box and do power recovery that way until we understand the configuration of the power supply.

All-in-all, this is becoming a rather challenging project and may take many more weeks to uncover whatever may be hidden, if anything is hidden.  For the moment I cannot isolate any significant difference between using a Rodin Coil and some other air core transformer.  I've spent a lot of time with the Ruslan and Daly devices--they still seem to have a little magic associated with them and I suspect this Rodin Coil device will be no different.

To be quite honest, Tinsel may turn out to be right yet again.  And if so, he can chalk this one up to knowledge and experience.  I'm not too proud to admit I was wrong.  I hope though Tinsel & Milehigh are not too proud either should Russ and others find some sweet spot.  Let's give Russ the freedom to explore and help him when known mistakes are being made, unless any of you all have a better idea.

[MileHigh]

Dog-One:

Okay if I understand you then from the diagram L1 is say six wires in parallel all part of the Litz wire twisting.  That really just means that the six wires look like one conductor, and the skin effect is reduced at high frequencies.  I am honestly not sure at what frequency the skin effect comes into play but I assume that there are charts out there that show skin effect vs. wire diameter as it affects the wire resistance per unit length.

For L2, you show an even number of wires.  That would cause total cancellation of the inductance, so I will assume that it is an odd number of wires.  When you factor in the cancellation effects, then L2 ends up looking like a single pass through the "bird's nest" but with five or seven times the amount of resistance compared to a single pass.  Let's assume for the sake of argument that there are five wire passes through the bird's nest.

To summarize, let's say that a single strand of wire has a resistance of "R."  That means that L1 makes a single pass through the bird's nest with a resistance of R/6.  L2 makes a single effective pass through the bird's nest with a resistance of 5R.

So, between L1 and L2 you simply have a 1:1 transformer, but the wire resistance on the two sides of the transformer is vastly different.

This is what my rational analysis is telling me about the Rodin coil when you strip it down to its bare essentials.  It's just a 1:1 transformer with a certain amount of inductance per coil, and an asymmetrical amount of resistance when you compare the two coils.

For the amplifier, I think it is a bass amplifier for a bass guitar.  The amplifier will probably tolerate a DC resistance of 4 ohms but here is where it looks like Russ is off track because presumably he will be working more with both impedance and resistance.  If he uses the Rodin coll as a 1:1 transformer and has a load higher than four ohms and excites the coil at a high enough frequency then the DC resistance of the primary should not be an issue.  If he just drives the coil with no load for a test, then as long as the frequency is high enough the impedance will be higher than four ohms.

As far as the amplifier itself goes it depends on what type of amplifier it is.  I am not familiar with all of the different amplifier classes so it's hard for me to comment.  However, knowing that it is an amplifier for a bass guitar, I am going to assume that it is very tolerant of reactive loads and will not flinch when the load pushes current back into the amplifier.  In that sense the amplifier is acting like an AC ideal voltage source.

For the output power supply accepting 2000 volts input, not sure what that is all about.  However, it sounds to me like a simple step-down transformer would come in handy here.

As far as a load goes in general, I would think that using big power resistors would be the smartest route to go.  This assumes that they will look like a nearly pure resistance when driven at a reasonably low AC frequency.

Russ indeed needs some time and people should not push him, he has a full life on his plate.  At the end, let's hope he presents good data.

MileHigh