H2 to 2H - what are the options?

[dieter]

After reading several texts about the discrepancy in the energy equilibrium between dissociation of H2 to 2H and recombination of 2H to H2 ( potential COP of 1000 ), by Nicholas Moller, William Lyne (occult ether physics), as well as Irving Langmuir (who desperately tried to explain away the unexplicable yet undeniable energy gain), I became rather interested in the subject matter but soon realized that there isn't much information. Furthermore, since the "1912 paper" of Langmuir there wasn't much research on the subject, until recently. The few information is spread all over in tiny bits, so I hope we can list here the possibilities we got today in order to dissociate molecular hydrogen H2 into atomic hydrogen (2) H1, which burns several times hotter. Of course we want to spent as little energy as possible to dissociate.

We would also prefer materials that are cheap and easily obtainable. And non poisonous.

Langmuir states, dissociation is caused by high temperatures (2000-3000 K). Atomic hydrogen welding was based on this phenomenon. Normal hydrogen was blown trough an electrical arc between 2 Thungsten electrodes. The flame had about 10 to 20 times the energy compared to one without the arc.

"Cold fusion" from Pons/Fleischmann seems to be based in the same principle, although there the process happens within the plasma in the water. In how much dissociation takes place may be hard to measure, which could be the reason why the repeatability of CF OU is often disputed.

Then I read in Lynes' book, Langmuir referred to a method using lead-mercury alloy (lead amalgam) for both electrodes, which produced H1 directly in electrolysis (with O/H seperation trough 2 tubes, one for each electrode, bottom open in the electrolyte. In an other, unreleated document I read gallium was used to substitute mercury in some electrochemical way. So I wonder if a gallium-lead alloy may work. Does anyone of you have any information on that?

Franco also mentioned several methods, including alpha-radiation (radioactive), as well as several methods involving Thungsten electrodes (which I would prefer to avoid for $ reasons). Although, Langmuir also wrote, at least parts of the dissociation must have been caused by exposing H2 to the Surface of Thungsten and not by heat only...

Then there is also the extreme Palladium hydrogen adsorbtion feature, which may somehow be utilized. Maybe let its surface adsorb molecules and then shock the metal with HV pulses, just strong enough that one H atom "dropps off"?

There may also be ways by using other radiation wavelengths, and I guess it would be most effective with frequencies that resonate with the atomic size of the molecules. There may be sweet spots accross the entire spectrum, harmonics  which would shatter the molecule surgically like the high C of an opera singer can smash a wineglass with a standing wave.

I've read in Patrick Kellys encyclopedia 500kHz can heat water quickly, which is interesting, corelating with Ainslies 555-heater. And of cource there are the standard microwave oven frequencies at 2.5 GHz if I'm right, bringing Water / H into high stress. Certainly it wouldn't take 1.5 kW to bombard only a thin tube with H2 streaming trough.

So, it would be very helpful if you add to this thread whatever you know about the various options we have right now in the dissociation of H2 into 2* H1.

Thank you

[pomodoro]

Look up Wood's discharge tube. It seems to be the favorite way to make the stuff.

[franco malgarini]

You can use magnets:

[dieter]

Thank you very much, the both of you!

I have found some interesting paper titled "characterization of hydrogen dissociation over aluminium-doped zinc oxide..."

Seemingly such surfaces have the ability to seperate hydroxils (O-H +ZnH) from ZnO+H2 which (the O-H) have lower bonds than H-H dimers.

Then I stumbled upon something that is just the sort of thing I love:

Duncan s' Paradox

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan's_Paradox

and I quote:

In 2014 Duncan's temperature paradox was experimentally realized, utilizing hydrogen dissociation on high-temperature transition metals (tungsten and rhenium). Ironically, these experiments support the predictions of the paradox and provide laboratory evidence for second law breakdown.[3] These results are corroborated by other experiments that demonstrate anomalous (and differential) levels of hydrogen dissociation on heated transition metals;[4][5][6][7][8] additional theoretical support can be found in the theory of epicatalysis.[9]

Wow. Enjoy.

I'll look into that magnet dissociation thing. Couldn't find much about the Wood s' discharge tube so far. Is that the one inside dehumidifiers?

As a side project I'll try to implement the duncan s' paradox in a hydrogen-filled radiometer.

[franco malgarini]

Cells in series for both H2 and H1