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car energy consume improvements

Started by lancaIV, July 02, 2016, 07:40:03 AM

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Cloxxki

"comsumption" is the noun, "to consume" is the verb.


You're just adding more cryptic notion. That's hardly to be called writing, let alone communication.

1 Wh/km at 25 kph? So, 25 W continuous. Just about the optimum possible in the very most uncomfortable, low air drag, perfect road surface.
I wonder, can the consumption for any vehicle, point to point with equal elevation start and finish, be reduced with a low path that brings in gravity as an energy vessel?

See image attached.
Vehicle B would save time thanks to gravity. Let's not ignore air resistance and keep measured distance the same despite the lower path detour. Would B have the same, higher or lower comsumption than A, given the same start velocity and continuous power output? B will get there sooner, this is science fact.
If B takes an arbitrary 5% shorter to get to the destination and both A and B were on full power the whole way, then B used up 5% less energy to travel the exact same distance, and at a higher speed.

For gravity assisted travel, low air drag is even more important, as speeds can easily get really high.
A heavy train (the longer and heavier, the better) with rather optimized wheels and aero would reach around 150 kph merely going off the brakes rolling out of a station 100 meters higher than the level cruise section. It would travel several kilometers at 100 kph average before needing some power to roll up the hill to the desitination station. Let's say it starts the ascend back to the next station at 120 kph, good to roll up around 55 meters. Then the only energy needed for the whole journey was the equal of lifting the train's total mass by 45 meters.
Gravity does the work to accelerate and decelate the train, the train only needs to overcome the 45 meters, and it can do so at very low speed if needed, it using a statically mounted winch ouside the station. No need for high speed high power motors to support 150 kph. And that's with just a 100 meter elevation advantage and 0 meter net elevation gain/loss. Higher speeds and reasonably long distances can be done with just a modest winching effort at a station, if the elevation difference is greater.



lancaIV

https://www.google.com/search?q=consumption&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
cum sumptere ( infinitive ) ,the lingual base !
Elevation,cause ?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bIEDtawRE60

https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevador_do_Bom_Jesus

Track up versus track down : physical in/out result ?

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/friction-coefficients-d_778.html 

vehicle and track

Hill up/hill down : net input result after recuperation by known  technical losts ?
The given example ,  related  https://lucidmotors.com/stories/lucid-gravity-next-force-of-nature     ?


What shows us https://www.interpatent.de/#

       
  • Electric car US-Patent
    Electricity from the suspension
in relation vehicle weight,velocity,friction coefficient ?

Cloxxki

I went through those links. Some very vague "mystrious" road where the side road climbs or decends at the same rate, with a seemingly pointless divider in between.
Then a seemingly utterly unrelated wiki article about a cable car service by the same name.
Then a physics calculator with some data table.

What are you actually trying to convey here? What's the reason to the madness? Sometimes there's a slight glimmer of hope for useful content, then I click...and it's an utter waste of my time, and I assume most everyone's time.
Is your mission to keep us away from more legitimate content that might actual bring us to new energy? If not, what IS the point?

Willy

@LankaIV

In reading the topic through from the start (mostly)...

Great material / links. I especially appreciate the over all flow / bigger picture /
over view aspects / your observations / perspectives.

best wishes

lancaIV

For intelligent people the showed elevator works by water displacement,It is about different weights balancing,by variable loads,by dry ambient and wet ambient = friction coefficient ,
only Cloxxkipedia explains it as cable system !
In this topic You find university R&D results ,Shell Eco-Marathon international student teams challenge results,international private inventors and companies their evolutive consume decreasing solutions !
My own experiments I published ,not the specific DIY-plan in details !

But in a world with published information about now wind and solar electricity conversion/generation in the near ≤ 0,01 US$/KWh production costs,I am not in hurry to do it !

I am not here to teach,to dictate,only showing alternatives !

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