car energy consume improvements

[ovun987]

Anyone, raise your hand if you can read let alone understand the way Lanca posts.

Then please explain me how to deal with that chaos.

Lanca, you're broadcasting, but are you on a frequency that's on anyone's radio?

Cloxxki,

Lanca's posts throughout this message board are dense with impressive research and pertinent useful information although most of his posts are nearly incoherent and unreadable.

Dude posts in the same style nearly all his posts.

Same with dxer (example), a bunch of babble translated from inside their head onto the public internet.

It takes time to boot up the computer, consider the subject, determine the wording, type out the words, login to our message board, and post to the internet for all to see; so naturally I assume people like this have something potentially somewhat worthwhile to share with us.

Dxer seems like a foreign old dude with a trillion variations of a design he came up with seventy years ago, mulls over these variations in his head at night, then wakes up in the morning and posts his latest variation that he speculatively feels might could conceivable perchance possibly work in theory god willing. For whatever reason, this guy finds it valuable and worth his time to post variations of his unproven design relentlessly over 10+ pages not soon stopping...! Going on 20+ pages!

After reading enough of Lanca's posts his style manifests itself more straightforward and coherent than his seemingly incoherent rambling notetaking appears...

The following is my analysis to aid in understanding this guy's approach to posting on the internet.



Lanca's post deciphered:

"Battery Technology R&D preview", the first line of Lanca's post is the subject of his post.

Lanca chooses to include lengthy full length urls in his post instead of properly using url tags. This is another aspect of Lanca's posting style that complicates reading this guy's posts. Additionally, improper capitalization adds to the overwhelming befuddlement. Lanca's over-the-top usage of colons, slashes, commas, and parentheses further increases the unreadability of his posts.

The next line shares with us the knowledge that "a solid state quantum high energy density storage or retrieval device known as a quensor has an energy density of about 15 kilowatt hours per kilogram which is comparable to gasoline".

The two sources of Lanca's information are from Worldwide Espacenet and Thundersaid Energy.

The single line with numbers at the bottom is Lanca's attempting showing that the Thundersaid energy link is from the year 2023 .

The lines after this share information of a commercial lithium battery that is 450 watt hours per kilogram made by a company called Amprius.

The next sentence shares information about a commercial lithium battery that is 500 watt hours per kilogram made by a company called CATL.

The next line provides a link to a pdf of a 650 watt hours per kilogram battery from Nasa.

In the paragraph proceeding Lanca informs us of the world record for a lithium battery in the lab that is 700 watt hours per kilogram.

Then Lanca shares the following quote "With further development we expect our new design for the lithium-air battery to also reach a record energy density of 1200 watt-hours per kilogram. That is nearly four times better than lithium-ion batteries." from a website called The Driven.

Lanca's own insight is shared with us next informing us his opinion that "Not only power to weight ratio, but also the lifetime as charge cycle number is important."

Next Lanca presents his opinion that this technology could manifest "from nearly zero external charging to net zero external charge to 100% autonomous self-recharging mobile." speculating further possibilities utilizing the above technology.

At this post his post is complete. But then Lanca decides to add a post script message that includes his notes from his above gathered research. The message Lanca chooses to share with us is "step by step doubling, trippling this benchmark, making common". These are breadcrumbs and tidbits of knowledge Lanca hopes someone piggybacks on while further researching these matters.

Lanca then provides information from the Guinness World Records describing a far traveling electric vehicle.

Apparently this vehicle uses an experimental 48 volt 22 amp-hour lead agm battery equivalent to about 42 watt hours per kilogram.

Next Lanca shares with us a patent for "Three times longer range with the same battery" from Patent Auction.

Then he shares his postulation about a "42 watt hour per kilogram lead battery changing to 500 watt hour per kilogram lithium or sodium battery", suggesting that a lithium or sodium battery could in his opinion be better than a lead battery.

Next Lancas explains that a "conventional electric motor change to magnet array halbach-type electric motor with sc or capacitive coils maybe might possibly triple the world record".

Lanca then provides a link from Log9 Materials presenting a fast-charing battery with half-hour recharge time.

Then he provides another link from Auto Car India presenting 15 minute fast charging technology.

After this Lanca provides a link to a Youtube video titled Exponent Energy Unveils Water-Based Rapid Charging Tech.

Then Lanca provides a link to a battery powered tricycle compared to another tricycle and posts their respective specs. 

WMBR is the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's student-run college radio station broadcasting on 88.1 FM. Perhaps Lanca is affiliated?

OCWL could be Lanca's full name signature? ...Or possibly a human person pictogram if you look at your screen and tilt your head to the left?

Lanca closes with letting us all know that what he is posting may potentially be "a good platform for research and development experiments" if anyone wants to piggyback off his aforementioned research.

I hope my post provides more clear understanding and insight into Lancas unenjoyable cumbersome incoherent posting style.

Thank you for sharing your research with us, Lanca.

Keep it coming!!

Battery Technology R&D preview

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021231&CC=US&NR=6501093B1&KC=B1#
A solid state Quantum high Energy density Storage Or Retrieval device known as a quensor, and the trademark ENSOR(TM), having an energy density of about 1-15 kwhr/kg, comparable to gasoline, or more, is described
https://thundersaidenergy.com/downloads/lithium-ion-batteries-energy-density/
2023 :


Amprius comercial lithium battery : 450 Wh/Kg
CATL lithium battery  : https://newatlas.com/energy/catl-500-wh-kg-condensed-battery/
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/650_whkg_1400_whl_recharg_batt_new_era_elect_mobility_ymikhaylik_0.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiFif_b-4eBAxUWVKQEHSlLC0s4ChAWegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw0UGAfL01zE4Oraze1mrfBY

Lab lithium battery record : https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/25/chinese-researchers-announce-711-kwh-kg-lithium-battery/
https://thedriven.io/2023/04/03/scientists-hail-new-battery-with-4-times-energy-density-of-lithium-ion/
"With further development, we expect our new design for the lithium-air battery to also reach a record energy density of 1200 watt-hours per kilogram," said Curtiss. ​"That is nearly four times better than lithium-ion batteries."

Not only power2weight ratio,also the lifetime as charge cycle number  is important.
From nearly zero external charging to net zero external charge to 100% autonomous self-recharging mobile.

wmbr
OCWL
p.s.: step by step doubling,trippling this benchmark,making common
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/greatest-distance-by-electric-vehicle-single-charge-(non-solar)
Vegan type experimental ,48 V x 22 Ah LEAD AGM battery ( 42,5 Wh/Kg) ~ 90 Km

A.
https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=15379

B.
42,5 Wh/Kg LEAD battery change to 500 Wh/Kg Lithium-/or Sodium battery

C.Conventional electric motor change to magnet array Halbach-type electric motor with sc-/or capacitive coils

gives


90 Km x Todorovic 3x = 270 Km x 10 times Lithium-/Sodium power per weight density = 2700 Km
x 2x electric motor consume improvement ( Nm per electric pulse)
= 5400 Km drive range
5400 Km / 1680 Km Guinness book world record
= first target reached,world-record trippling  !

External/on board battery recharge time
Observation :
https://www.log9materials.com/   1/2 hour full recharge

https://www.autocarindia.com/industry/bengaluru-based-exponent-energy-reveals-15-minute-fast-charging-tech-for-evs-428900

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GwmidLzSYFY

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5  12 V x 36 Ah for 32 Km drive range ~ 1350 Wh/100 Km,1-seater
compared
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-vegan-electric-self-charging-solar-tricycle--2#/(48 V x 22 Ah)/0,9 ~ 1175 Wh/100 km , 3-seater

A good platform for R&D experiments

[lancaIV]

So much more words,when telex/telegram style is enough !

Dozens from ev skatebord Baukasten/platforms,to treat as '  no name' and open source hardware delivery,for mobility and households as renewable energetic circuit energy source.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&sca_esv=562194575&ei=FE7zZIXPGruhkdUPhaqX-A8&q=ev+skateboard+platform&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFqZ3RmIyBAxW7UKQEHQXVBf8Q7Al6BAgNEAI&biw=600&bih=888


From ic-engine car ' one for all '-Baukasten/platform f.e. VW

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plattform_(Automobil)
So wurde die Plattform des VW Golf IV (in Deutschland zwischen 1997 und 2003 gebaut) unter anderem auch für den VW Bora, VW New Beetle, Škoda Octavia I, Seat Leon I, Seat Toledo II, Audi A3 8L und Audi TT 8N benutzt.
                   Proletarische VW-Praeambel : Alle Marken ( und Modelle) sind  gleich

Golf=Bora=Beetle=Octavia=Leon=A3=TT = in der Schrottpresse gleich behandelt

VolksW-Bugatti und VolksW-Lamborghini und VolksW-Daimler ebenso

to pure electric Baukasten/platform
http://www.adrianchernoff.com/project/skateboard-platform/

for ic-engine vehicle to pure electric vehicle conversion like
https://www.zerolabs.com/platform

to low cost ev platform
https://www.instructables.com/Electric-Vehicle-A-simple-lightweight-EV-platform-/

The ev platform also as Zero (external) Energy power plant platform/base  for private households .

w(ith) m(y)b(est)r(egard)
O(liver)C(hristoph)W(aldhelm)L(anca)

[lancaIV]

There are two kinds of battery ' 5  or  3 minutes'  fast recharge :

a.https://www.theverge.com/23809811/ev-battery-swap-ample-fisker-tesla

https://www.nio.com/nio-power

battery pack change/swap

gasoline engine van to electric/swap battery system conversion :

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobiles/Japan-startup-to-convert-gasoline-vans-into-battery-swap-EVs


b.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20230519005396/en/Prieto-Introduces-World%E2%80%99s-Fastest-Charging-Battery-That-Charges-in-3-Minutes

Low weight ,urban  ,e-vehicles with onboard 10 KWh battery capacity = 400 up to 600 km range and 3 minutes 80% recharge :
https://www.drive.com.au/news/silicon-battery-tech-electric-cars-charging-times/

Toyota 2028 electric car range claim :

https://insideevs.com/news/675517/toyota-battery-breakthrough-745-miles-range/
Furthermore, the car group estimates that it will be able to make an advanced solid-state battery that's capable of offering over 900 miles (1,448 km) of range after 2028, thanks in part to lighter, less complicated cars that have fewer components.

[Cloxxki]

Before I continue: batteries are barbaric technology. Many things to choose from, but not light weight or low volume.

Also: I don't see a NEED to combat CO2 emissions. CO2 is the breath of life, without it, Earth turns into the Moon, Mars or Venus like places. Stuff needs to grow and nothing does without CO2. 3 or 4 parts per 10,000, that's not a whole lot. Greenhouse farmers buy CO2 and injects it into their farms to boost crop growth, add harvests per years. Food prices are high, people DIE of famine, CO2 is needed, not the enemy. Climate was never stable anywhere and isn't stable on any planet we known with an atmosphere, not even now. The last true climate change we had, was in the 12th hour of homo sapiens and most people who preach climate change don't know a thing about it, what species were extincted or how super recent that catastrophe was, let along what caused it. Odd, because the extinction of only large reptiles, 5000x longer (yes, you read that correctly) ago, everyone seems to know about in quite some detail...

Non-CO2 exhaust gasses I'd love to see reduced, they seem to not have the same critical uses for Earth?

Better still that charging or swapping would be topping up during a drive. There's a project that worked on 20 kW in-road-surface inductive charging that works while driving at highway speeds. If enough main corridors are equipped with that, and cars with compatible charge loops, there is no longer need for large batteries.
Smaller PHEV batteries that suit communiting and rarely starting the on board ICE would actually suffice even for long distance driving. Just follow long distance highways, like most everyone does on long drives.


In Formula 1 racing, they have a unique device called MGU-H. I can't pretend to fully understand it, but it's a generator on the hot exhaust gasses that puts energy back into the drivetrain either via the battery or by spooling the turbo. I am really fuzzy on it. This MGU-H brings around 80 kW non-stop that would otherwise have floated away as heat and sound. Yes, it makes the car less loud.
Combined with a (weak) hybrid system that is greatly flawed by small battery and regulated deployment per lap, these F1 powertrains still achieve >50% thermal efficiency.
Regulation have limited the fuel flow and battery size, so teams work on efficiency a lot to go faster.


Sadly the MGU-H is deemed useless for road cars as it needs concentrated heat and exhaust flow to work. I'm not super convinced. Perhaps a small family car could have an exhaust system that optimized for the kinds of flow an appropriately sized and tuned MGU-H calls for, and still return a few kW, which would be pretty significant for cars that use around 5-10 kW in everyday urban driving and 20 kW on the highway (where the MGU-H would work better).

[onepower]

Cloxxki

Before I continue: batteries are barbaric technology. Many things to choose from, but not light weight or low volume.

Also: I don't see a NEED to combat CO2 emissions. CO2 is the breath of life, without it, Earth turns into the Moon, Mars or Venus like places. Stuff needs to grow and nothing does without CO2. 3 or 4 parts per 10,000, that's not a whole lot. Greenhouse farmers buy CO2 and injects it into their farms to boost crop growth, add harvests per years. Food prices are high, people DIE of famine, CO2 is needed, not the enemy.

So batteries are barbaric and fossil fuels are smart, got it.

Why do you think they call oil a fossil fuel? ie a fossil?. For example, if you found a dead road kill that's been out in the sun for weeks the stinky black slimy goo pooling under the carcass is basically oil. In fact, the oil producers mine dead plant/animal graveyards similar to our graveyards. So when you fill up your car your literally burning the residue from the dead for fuel.

So when people talk about fossil-fuels I get this image of one of those B rate horror flicks where a bunch of brain dead zombies are running around eating the dead and burning them for fuel like cord wood to stay warm. I mean burning dead animals for fuel is kind of fubar and as barbaric as it gets and yet this is exactly what were doing. Does that sound intelligent?.

I'm still surprised any of these people can say they "love oil" with a straight face. When people say they love fossils fuels I see the picture below. It's just so absurd and barbaric a person has to laugh otherwise we would lose our mind.

AC