car energy consume improvements

[lancaIV]

Planning the future is based by Meta-study today,public urban administration is also population density and mobile-ownership/use per street-km related !
From A to B average velocity and time need,different movement kind (private/public),german study :

https://www.zukunft-mobilitaet.net/167997/analyse/tuer-zu-tuer-reisezeit-stadtverkehr-pkw-miv-oepnv-radverkehr-pedelec-gleichheit-subjektive-verzerrung/
Laboratory results are the base for ten years after preview,from lab to factory to consumer in mass production,by consumer acceptance, its comercial evolution lasts up to ten years !

From 500 Wh/Kg to

https://insideevs.com/news/343771/innolith-claims-its-on-path-to-1000-wh-kg-battery-energy-density/
https://www.evexpress.net/battery1000.html
to
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/polyplus-achieves-major-us-battery-manufacturing-milestone-product-line-established-for-protected-lithium-electrodes-and-lithium-seawater-batteries-that-deliver-record-setting-energy-density-of-2000-whkg-301586324.html

https://polyplus.com/lithium-seawater-battery/

https://insideevs.com/news/429273/silica-cathode-li-s-batteries/


and

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium%E2%80%93air_battery

About charging speed :

https://www.analyticssteps.com/blogs/what-quantum-glass-battery-benefits-and-manufacturers

South Korean researchers have already calculated that quantum battery technology could cut home charging times for electric vehicles from 10 hours to three minutes, while supercharger stations could fully recharge a vehicle in 90 seconds.
In a study published earlier this year, scientists discovered that the charging time of a quantum battery decreases as the battery's size increases. This is due to a phenomenon known as quantum speedup, which describes how molecules become more entangled as the battery grows larger.

3 minutes,down to 90 seconds :

like today we have empty with full butano/propanol bottle  exchange,in future beside vehicles also the household electricity battery/capacitor pack can be fast recharged !
Gridfree,but e-pump station network !

The Vegan etrike,its technical data as experimental idea :

90 Km range with conventional motor and 45 Wh/Kg lead battery
180 Km with magnet array motor( half the conventional electric motor consume ) and lead battery

1980 Km with magnet array motor and  lead battery weight equivalent  500 Wh/Kg lithium-/sodium-/aluminium-battery

+ Solar tect ,wind turbine on tect ,wheel generator ,pedal generator ,....... range extension option !


24 hours x 40 Km•h = physically 960 km maximum daily nonstop city car range need

~ magnet array motor + comercial available  250 Wh/Kg battery

It is not an ' everybodies darling' but a proof of life-science R&D results ,applied !
Functional !
Btw : the Vegan e-trike a trial disaster ,minimal acceptance

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-vegan-electric-self-charging-solar-tricycle--2#/Only 10% from Flexible Goal ( low budget !)
But also the Tata-Fiat Nano 100 Mio+ investment we can not call :  a success !?
Or : Lord Sinclair his C5,C10,C15 mobiles !

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[Cloxxki]

"from 10 hours to three minutes, while supercharger stations could fully recharge a vehicle in 90 seconds."
Name one single type of battery in commercial use today that actually takes 10 hours to charge.
F1 batteries already charge at 120C if I'm not mistaken, so 30 seconds per charge cycle.

If you have a modern premium sedan with 100 kWh battery and you want to charge it in 90 seconds, that requires an average of 4 MW. Which type of charge cable or medium is suggested for that? Perhaps it's a better ideal to have 13 chargers of 350-400 kW each and have the battery be divided by relays to take a 13-part charge bar, I guess ideally automatically attached from underground and you park in the general position over the charger.

With long range, a charge under 5 minutes doesn't really make sense anymore. You need to freshen up after a few hours of driving anyway.
NIO offers automated battery swaps along main routes, but you only reveive a used battery with 90% state of charge an with current model swap stations, you need a driver in the car during the 7 minute swap. You'd be freshening up before or after, coming to a 12 minute minimum realistic stop. Kia and Hyundai cars do a 10-80% charge in 18 minutes, on common charge stations and using only ~220 kW peak. Not a lot of improvement needed there, although a 50% larger battery as seen on luxury sedans would add 50% more energy in the same 18 minutes, getting 45-49% more range. A 12 minute stop (during which one would freshen up) would then charge about the same range added (say 10-60%) as the NIO car did with the fancy swap, but you would have all the 12 minutes to stretch the legs, freshen up and buy some drink and snack.

[lancaIV]

"from 10 hours to three minutes, while supercharger stations could fully recharge a vehicle in 90 seconds."
Name one single type of battery in commercial use today that actually takes 10 hours to charge.

https://ev-lectron.com/blogs/blog/the-fastest-ev-chargers-you-can-buy-now
January 19, 2023

The Lectron V-BOX
In terms of in-home charging, the 48A 240V Lectron V-BOX packs quite the punch. It fully charges an EV in just six hours, which is perfect for charging overnight, and giving your EV a full charge for your daily commute.
Not 10 hours ( charger V and A reference !?) but with 48A and 240V grid-connection even 6 hours for full charging .
Not a single battery in mind' .. could cut home charging times for electric vehicles from 10 hours to three minutes,...'
,but the total vehicle battery pack !

F1 batteries already charge at 120C if I'm not mistaken, so 30 seconds per charge cycle.

If you have a modern premium sedan with 100 kWh battery and you want to charge it in 90 seconds, that requires an average of 4 MW. Which type of charge cable or medium is suggested for that? Perhaps it's a better ideal to have 13 chargers of 350-400 kW each and have the battery be divided by relays to take a 13-part charge bar, I guess ideally automatically attached from underground and you park in the general position over the charger.

With long range, a charge under 5 minutes doesn't really make sense anymore. You need to freshen up after a few hours of driving anyway.
NIO offers automated battery swaps along main routes, but you only reveive a used battery with 90% state of charge an with current model swap stations, you need a driver in the car during the 7 minute swap. You'd be freshening up before or after, coming to a 12 minute minimum realistic stop. Kia and Hyundai cars do a 10-80% charge in 18 minutes, on common charge stations and using only ~220 kW peak. Not a lot of improvement needed there, although a 50% larger battery as seen on luxury sedans would add 50% more energy in the same 18 minutes, getting 45-49% more range. A 12 minute stop (during which one would freshen up) would then charge about the same range added (say 10-60%) as the NIO car did with the fancy swap, but you would have all the 12 minutes to stretch the legs, freshen up and buy some drink and snack.

After 2 hours concentrated drive a stop is recommended !
By professional drivers after 4,5 hours a drivestop obligation !
Enough time for fast partial capacity recharge,stop&go !

[Cloxxki]

Ridiculous to cite home chargers, round off to 10 hours, and then "invent" the option to have hight power chargers, NOT at home... Disingenuous marketing, who is actually ever helped by that?

There are 5-figure cars that do 18-minute 10-80% charges on any of many thousands of chargers place in convenient locations by long distance routes, TODAY.

Citing 10 hours as the base line and then throwing out 90 seconds, is just a huge insult of intelligence. If you don't feel your intelligence was insulted, well that's nice for you.

[lancaIV]

Ridiculous to cite home chargers, round off to 10 hours, and then "invent" the option to have hight power chargers, NOT at home... Disingenuous marketing, who is actually ever helped by that?

There are 5-figure cars that do 18-minute 10-80% charges on any of many thousands of chargers place in convenient locations by long distance routes, TODAY.

https://www.topspeed.com/fastest-charging-electric-vehicles-in-2023/
2023 Kia EV6/Hyundai Ioniq 5 charging times

Maximum Charging Input Power (DC Fast Charge)	240 kW    77,4 KWh nominal battery pack capacity
AC Normal Charge with ICCB (230V/12A) (In Cable Control Box) (V/kW/Hour)	68h (120V /12A)
AC Normal Charge with 11kW EVSE (Electrical Vehicle Supply Equipment) (V/kW/Hour)	7h 10m (240V / 48A)
DC Fast Charge with 50kW EVSE (Max 125A) (V/ kW/ Minute)	73 minutes
DC Fast Charge with 350kW EVSE (Max 200A) (V/ kW/ Minute)	18 minutes

Related 68h 10h are faster,is it not ?

Citing 10 hours as the base line and then throwing out 90 seconds, is just a huge insult of intelligence. If you don't feel your intelligence was insulted, well that's nice for you.

That is called ' marketing',playing with numbers !The minority of car buyers we can estimate as ' intelligent',probably the IQ from modern self-learning software in cars higher than the driver his/her IQ !
Price decrease marketing 2024+ :

Renault 20000 British Pounds :
https://europe.autonews.com/environmentemissions/affordable-evs-can-be-built-europe-2025-environment-group-says

Tesla 25000 US$ and 20000 US$ concept versions :
https://topelectricsuv.com/news/tesla/tesla-model-2-design-details/

GM-SAIC JV under 15000 US$ :
https://electrek.co/guides/saic-gm-wuling/

We can assume 2030 10000 US$ the global new compact electric car standart consumer price !