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Increase the potential energy without any energy

Started by activ25, September 24, 2016, 11:14:10 PM

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forest

you need something proportional to something^2 or exponential rise
good example is energy in capacitor

activ25

Quote from: forest on September 21, 2017, 12:17:05 PM
you need something proportional to something^2 or exponential rise
good example is energy in capacitor

For simplify the calculations, I took the force from the spring constant (don't depend of the length of the spring, like gravity can do on a molecule of water). But it is possible to take any law of force, proportional, square or exponential, it is better but the calculations are more complex, and I would like to take an example easy to understand.

lancaIV

Quote from: activ25 on September 21, 2017, 12:09:13 PM
And Noether's theorem is based on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_(field_theory)

And my device is not continuous, so the theorem of Noether cannot be applied here.
IT IS A GERAL THEOREM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%E2%80%93Lagrange_equation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_

       Which kind of dynamics you exspect by such an impossible trial of
             "increase"=+ of potential energy "without any"=+  energy

      short content description : changing without change





                   

activ25

Quote from: lancaIV on September 21, 2017, 01:14:58 PM
                                       IT IS A GERAL THEOREM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%E2%80%93Lagrange_equation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_

       Which kind of dynamics you exspect by such an impossible trial of
             "increase"=+ of potential energy "without any"=+  energy

      short content description : changing without change





                 

lancalV: I take an example: increase the length of a spring without any external energy, and don't forget: focus on the device...

lancaIV

you are writing about your "ideal motor" that it is arithmetical 100/99,66 in % efficient.
                                                        Fine

               http://www.overunity.com/watermotor/index.htm  arithmetical efficiency ?