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Magnets, motion and measurement

Started by Floor, October 31, 2016, 09:11:43 PM

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lumen

#215
June 13, 2019, 01:31:18 PM
Using this configuration there should be about a 3 Newton increase in force without the shield magnets.
Repelling magnets .25 x 1 x 2 and shield magnets .125 x 2 x 3.

The force between repelling magnets is 11.75 Newtons with the shield and about 15 Newtons with shield removed.
The shield magnets are held close together with repelling forces.

Floor

#216
June 13, 2019, 02:44:19 PM
Quote from: lumen on June 13, 2019, 01:31:18 PM
Using this configuration there should be about a 3 Newton increase in force without the shield magnets.
Repelling magnets .25 x 1 x 2 and shield magnets .125 x 2 x 3.

The force between repelling magnets is 11.75 Newtons with the shield and about 15 Newtons with shield removed.
The shield magnets are held close together with repelling forces.

Your design looks like a fail, but its not a replication of any of my designs.

Why don't you stick to what works ?

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Floor

#217
June 13, 2019, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: lumen on June 12, 2019, 08:35:45 PM
Where this logic is wrong is that when two magnets are stacked together they are stronger.....right.
So the center magnet will get stronger where the poles add (N + S) and appear to the other repelling where there is (N+N) as a single stronger magnet, So in the end it's a wash and the magnets stay separated.

It would work if steel was used for the center magnet but that also causes it to become harder to remove when the repelling magnets are closer to the steel.
Maybe the center magnet could be two thin magnets with a thin sheet of steel between them to reduce the adding effect.

I think IEC uses something along this line, where there is some steel between the repelling magnets. (laminated if you look close)

What's IEC ?

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Floor

#218
June 13, 2019, 02:51:27 PM
@Lumen

What are the polarities in your drawing ?

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Floor

#219
June 13, 2019, 02:53:36 PM
Quote from: lumen on June 13, 2019, 01:31:18 PM
Using this configuration there should be about a 3 Newton increase in force without the shield magnets.
Repelling magnets .25 x 1 x 2 and shield magnets .125 x 2 x 3.

The force between repelling magnets is 11.75 Newtons with the shield and about 15 Newtons with shield removed.
The shield magnets are held close together with repelling forces.

How do you conclude that with the 3 Newtons increase ?
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